I work on Microsoft's anti-spam team, AMA!
Why do you put mail servers on your block list which never sent spam? And why do you make it nearly impossible to get unlocked once on that list?
Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server
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Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server
#72After many years of regularly getting blocked by Hotmail and outlook.com, I just decided to reject every incoming email from Hotmail and Outlook with an error message explaining the situation. If they don't allow me to respond to emails sent by their customers, why would I allow them to send me emails in the first place?
You sure showed it to them. /s
Did you sign up to their JMRP to figure out what they didn't like or how were they blocking you?
Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server
#73Outlook/Hotmail blocks DigitalOcean. After half a dozens attempts over the years to delist my IP, and following all the best practices (dedicated fixed IP, SPF, DKIM, DMARC, FCrDNS, zero spam, TLS, etc.) I gave up.
Eventually, most people realize that their Outlook/Hotmail email service is defective because they're not receiving emails, and they migrate to another email service.
Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server
#74I think that governments should offer one free email account per citizen for life. Which you could use or not, but is there for you as a digital inbox… which are the options? - Self hosting is a bit elitist - not for the masses. - A paid-for option (proton, tutta,…) would be cataloged as elitist. People perceive email as free. - A free option provided by a Corporate player will gravitate towards monopolies and lack o…
I agree. You shoukd have unlimited inbound and limited outbound emails between citizen accounts and a 10 email limit for outside addresses. This way you can sign up to a third party email service and use your permanent and guaranteed government one as a recovery address
Outbound mail comes with heavy problems with abuse. The government can't easily filter it out either (literally "free speech").
Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server
#75Outlook/Hotmail blocks DigitalOcean. After half a dozens attempts over the years to delist my IP, and following all the best practices (dedicated fixed IP, SPF, DKIM, DMARC, FCrDNS, zero spam, TLS, etc.) I gave up. Eventually, most people realize that their Outlook/Hotmail email service is defective because they're not receiving emails, and they migrate to another email service.
> Eventually, most people realize that their Outlook/Hotmail email service is defective because they're not receiving emails, and the move to something else.
Or people realise that DO's current anti-abuse is very insufficient and will move to something else.
Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server
#76I think that governments should offer one free email account per citizen for life. Which you could use or not, but is there for you as a digital inbox… which are the options? - Self hosting is a bit elitist - not for the masses. - A paid-for option (proton, tutta,…) would be cataloged as elitist. People perceive email as free. - A free option provided by a Corporate player will gravitate towards monopolies and lack o…
Remember when the US gov did that with a number? The SSN?
I don't know how you can make something like this "easy to recover" without introducing giant security problems.
Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server
#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
I agree. You shoukd have unlimited inbound and limited outbound emails between citizen accounts and a 10 email limit for outside addresses. This way you can sign up to a third party email service and use your permanent and guaranteed government one as a recovery address
Outbound mail comes with heavy problems with abuse. The government can't easily filter it out either (literally "free speech").
"limited" might mean 50-100 emails per day or even less
Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server
#78Outlook/Hotmail blocks DigitalOcean. After half a dozens attempts over the years to delist my IP, and following all the best practices (dedicated fixed IP, SPF, DKIM, DMARC, FCrDNS, zero spam, TLS, etc.) I gave up. Eventually, most people realize that their Outlook/Hotmail email service is defective because they're not receiving emails, and they migrate to another email service.
> Eventually, most people realize that their Outlook/Hotmail email service is defective because they're not receiving emails, and the move to something else. Or people realise that DO's current anti-abuse is very insufficient and will move to something else.
Outlook/Hotmail is the only service that's blocking my emails.
I've been with DigitalOcean for 10 years. Beforehand it was just a matter of filling a form and waiting 24 hours to get the IP whitelisted. A few years ago, Microsoft started refusing whitelisting IPs.
DigitalOcean on the other hand started blocking SMTP by default for new customers since June/2022 [1], and thus significantly reduced the amount of spam coming out of their network. That said, they're still not doing enough to stop spam from their network, and they're still a source of spam [2].
I can cryptographically prove the identity of the server (and thus its reputation), and there's no justified reason to block mails based only on the network's IP address, while ignoring all the other factors.
1. https://www.digitalocean.com/blog/smtp-restricted-by-default
Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server
#79I think that governments should offer one free email account per citizen for life. Which you could use or not, but is there for you as a digital inbox… which are the options? - Self hosting is a bit elitist - not for the masses. - A paid-for option (proton, tutta,…) would be cataloged as elitist. People perceive email as free. - A free option provided by a Corporate player will gravitate towards monopolies and lack o…
Ah yes, a government owned email service, what could go wrong?
Nothing? It can exist as a utility alongside other email services.
Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server
#80I think that governments should offer one free email account per citizen for life. Which you could use or not, but is there for you as a digital inbox… which are the options? - Self hosting is a bit elitist - not for the masses. - A paid-for option (proton, tutta,…) would be cataloged as elitist. People perceive email as free. - A free option provided by a Corporate player will gravitate towards monopolies and lack o…
Remember when the US gov did that with a number? The SSN? I don't know how you can make something like this "easy to recover" without introducing giant security problems.
Yeah it was so much better keeping a book of letters from creditors that you showed to any future creditor to show trustworthy-ness.
Whatever mess you think SSNs have caused by their unintended use outweighs the previous system. The simple test for that is, why do people use SSNs as it's not legally required for anything but USG interactions.