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High school student allegedly uses device to turn off nearby iPhones

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Post by pixxel »

EMIRELADERO wrote: post #47
ace2358 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A few states in Australia have outright banned phones in schools. I have a few teacher friends. I’ve heard the students still aren’t interested in learning… (Jokes aside I think it’s going great for the kids and the teachers in aus)

Does the ban extend to recesses/entire school grounds? I was very introverted throught my childhood and spent my first school years' recesses not talking to anyone, just mindlessly wandering the hallways and yard. It got to a point where I didn't even know many of my classmate's names, even after spending years "with them". When I grew old enough to have my own phone that I could bring to school, it made recesses mor…

With respect, pandering to outliers is never the answer.

Re: High school student allegedly uses device to turn off nearby iPhones

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Post by adaml_623 »

Arch-TK wrote: post #61
Twirrim wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do this around people with type 1 diabetes, and there's a chance you're wiping out their glucose monitor (a sizeable number of the continuous glucose monitor systems rely on a cellphone app, smartphones are becoming ubiquitous hardware/software.) It might be a funny stunt, but there could be some serious consequences.

>a sizeable number of the continuous glucose monitor systems rely on a cellphone app I thought medical hardware had to go through stringent approval processes with health authorities? This is just an awful design in general. An auxiliary control system for your body should be much more resistant against electronic interference and self contained to prevent this kind of vulnerability. Yeah, interfering with people's m…

People already die of diabetes due to not having enough money.

Your proposed law would increase the price of treatment and lead to more deaths.

Re: High school student allegedly uses device to turn off nearby iPhones

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Post by F2hP18Foam »

Arch-TK wrote: post #61
Twirrim wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do this around people with type 1 diabetes, and there's a chance you're wiping out their glucose monitor (a sizeable number of the continuous glucose monitor systems rely on a cellphone app, smartphones are becoming ubiquitous hardware/software.) It might be a funny stunt, but there could be some serious consequences.

>a sizeable number of the continuous glucose monitor systems rely on a cellphone app I thought medical hardware had to go through stringent approval processes with health authorities? This is just an awful design in general. An auxiliary control system for your body should be much more resistant against electronic interference and self contained to prevent this kind of vulnerability. Yeah, interfering with people's m…

>I thought medical hardware had to go through stringent approval processes with health authorities?

Yeah this is the case. You have to have a phone from a list of approved devices which is not very long.

In fairness, diabetics should be carrying standalone blood glucose monitors as a backup. You never know what could happen to your phone.

Re: High school student allegedly uses device to turn off nearby iPhones

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Post by MrBuddyCasino »

rdtsc wrote: post #22

I liked the first comment there: > "According to an APS statement, 'by turning off those teenagers' phones, the student created a dangerous environment in which students might actually have been able to learn something instead of staring at their phones all day. We're just not equipped to handle that kind of thing, so we called the police instead.'"

As a teacher, how resentful of your students do you have to be to determine this was the best course of action?

Re: High school student allegedly uses device to turn off nearby iPhones

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Post by maccard »

skygazer wrote: post #67
seanhunter wrote: post #35

Before any gets inspired by this and tries to use an F0 for assorted hijinks like this, just make sure you understand the legal framework in your country. In the UK where I am for example, this is almost certainly “deliberate interference with wireless telegraphy” which can carry a 2 year prison sentence. Not saying that the law isn’t an ass, just that you might want to know what you’re getting yourself into before y…

“Unlimited fines” sound mind-bendingly excessive — risk of financial singularity. I’d opt for the merciful two years.

You don't get a choice in it.

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Post by felurx »

javawizard wrote: post #69
gipp wrote: post #24

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Picked one up for Christmas and have already been having a blast with it today. Yes, it is supremely hackable, try awesome-flipperzero [1] as a starting point. The iOS exploit discussed here is already patched as of a week or two ago, fwiw. [1] https://github.com/djsime1/awesome-flipperzero

Ok this is the silliest nitpick but like... The personality/emotionality of the flipper zero has been the biggest thing stopping me from using mine more. Like, I classify myself as an empath, and it's physically painful to think about using it and having to face the dolphin's sad face if it's been a while. Looks like I need to hack mine to not get sad when I don't use it. Digital antidepressants, as it were...

You could use a custom firmware that allows asset packs, and just remove/replace either the sad animations or just all of them.

Re: High school student allegedly uses device to turn off nearby iPhones

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Post by Gigablah »

deadbabe wrote: post #66
seanhunter wrote: post #35

Before any gets inspired by this and tries to use an F0 for assorted hijinks like this, just make sure you understand the legal framework in your country. In the UK where I am for example, this is almost certainly “deliberate interference with wireless telegraphy” which can carry a 2 year prison sentence. Not saying that the law isn’t an ass, just that you might want to know what you’re getting yourself into before y…

So what you’re saying is plant a device that can’t be traced to you then leave the area and set it to fire on some timer.

Wireless interference would be the lesser charge at this point.

Re: High school student allegedly uses device to turn off nearby iPhones

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Post by closewith »

adaml_623 wrote: post #72
Arch-TK wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>a sizeable number of the continuous glucose monitor systems rely on a cellphone app I thought medical hardware had to go through stringent approval processes with health authorities? This is just an awful design in general. An auxiliary control system for your body should be much more resistant against electronic interference and self contained to prevent this kind of vulnerability. Yeah, interfering with people's m…

People already die of diabetes due to not having enough money. Your proposed law would increase the price of treatment and lead to more deaths.

> People already die of diabetes due to not having enough money.

Not in civilised countries.

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Post by wkat4242 »

arch-choot wrote: post #57
yellow_lead wrote: post #3

It's probably a flipper zero. There is a Bluetooth iOS spamming script which can cause the devices to freeze or crash.

It's also possible via something way cheaper, like an ESP32 (~US$1.5), e.g. using https://github.com/ckcr4lyf/EvilAppleJuice-ESP32 (Disclaimer: I am the author)

Makes sense because the flipper zero basically is an esp32 with a display and a few other radios.

I wonder if it could also be done with a simple android app.

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