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Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by dotnet00 » Tue, Dec 19, 2023, 5:52 PM UTC

jjulius wrote: post #32

cglan wrote: post #12

I live in NYC. The problem is that there’s literally 0 housing. That’s it. Literally so many people want to move here, but you look on all of streeteasy on a given day and there’s like 500 apartments. In a city of millions. Sure you can pay more and get something. But it used to be that you traded a lot of quality of life (in unit washer dryer, dishwasher, ac, no walkups, cars, space, etc) for a lower price and the s…

>I live in NYC. The problem is that there’s literally 0 housing. That’s it. >Literally so many people want to move here, but you look on all of streeteasy on a given day and there’s like 500 apartments. In a cities of millions. I'm currently in my mid-30's. Throughout all of my 20's, I thought it would be a blast to live in NYC. Then I had a good stretch where I visited it a whole bunch of times, hanging out with fri…

Add in the considerations regarding moving every couple of years and doing it all over again.

There's no long term stability to be had, so it's no wonder that people left when given the chance in the form of increased remote opportunities and a lifestyle "reset" in the form of covid.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by peyton » Tue, Dec 19, 2023, 5:53 PM UTC

eatonphil wrote: post #51

It seems worth looking into what section of the population (either in terms of age or marital status or number of children or education or salary or whatnot) is moving out of NYC. For example, NYC still ranks at the top of where college graduates apply to [0]. [0] https://joinhandshake.com/blog/employers/where-are-college-s...

The comptroller’s report makes it look more like white flight. Especially figure 6.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by waihtis » Tue, Dec 19, 2023, 5:53 PM UTC

jjulius wrote: post #32

cglan wrote: post #12

I live in NYC. The problem is that there’s literally 0 housing. That’s it. Literally so many people want to move here, but you look on all of streeteasy on a given day and there’s like 500 apartments. In a city of millions. Sure you can pay more and get something. But it used to be that you traded a lot of quality of life (in unit washer dryer, dishwasher, ac, no walkups, cars, space, etc) for a lower price and the s…

>I live in NYC. The problem is that there’s literally 0 housing. That’s it. >Literally so many people want to move here, but you look on all of streeteasy on a given day and there’s like 500 apartments. In a cities of millions. I'm currently in my mid-30's. Throughout all of my 20's, I thought it would be a blast to live in NYC. Then I had a good stretch where I visited it a whole bunch of times, hanging out with fri…

plus many other places do the chaotic metropolitan vibe much better, e.g. London.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by calvinmorrison » Tue, Dec 19, 2023, 5:53 PM UTC

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #53

gandalfgeek wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "resilience" argument was misused and misapplied during the pandemic. You also saw it used for school closures -- "kids are resilient". It seems to justify inflicting known harms by having faith in "resilience".

covid spread through kids like wildfire, often via asymptomatic infections which then spread to, and killed, elderly who just wanted to see their grandkids. The amount of pushback these measures got, when we were literally just trying to save lives and prevent disability through long covid absolutely staggers the mind and erodes my faith in humanity.

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Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by ahoy » Tue, Dec 19, 2023, 5:53 PM UTC

jjulius wrote: post #32

cglan wrote: post #12

I live in NYC. The problem is that there’s literally 0 housing. That’s it. Literally so many people want to move here, but you look on all of streeteasy on a given day and there’s like 500 apartments. In a city of millions. Sure you can pay more and get something. But it used to be that you traded a lot of quality of life (in unit washer dryer, dishwasher, ac, no walkups, cars, space, etc) for a lower price and the s…

>I live in NYC. The problem is that there’s literally 0 housing. That’s it. >Literally so many people want to move here, but you look on all of streeteasy on a given day and there’s like 500 apartments. In a cities of millions. I'm currently in my mid-30's. Throughout all of my 20's, I thought it would be a blast to live in NYC. Then I had a good stretch where I visited it a whole bunch of times, hanging out with fri…

I moved here about 10 years ago in my mid 20s. It's certainly more expensive and annoying to find housing here than other places I've lived, but it's more than balanced out by needing to own an automobile. The average cost of car ownership in the US is in the $10k-12k range. I certainly don't spent an extra thousand dollars on rent here vs say, any other place I might reasonably move. So I figure I'm still coming out ahead.

I can't speak to the bedbugs problem, I've been lucky I suppose.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by Racing0461 » Tue, Dec 19, 2023, 5:53 PM UTC

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #53

gandalfgeek wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "resilience" argument was misused and misapplied during the pandemic. You also saw it used for school closures -- "kids are resilient". It seems to justify inflicting known harms by having faith in "resilience".

covid spread through kids like wildfire, often via asymptomatic infections which then spread to, and killed, elderly who just wanted to see their grandkids. The amount of pushback these measures got, when we were literally just trying to save lives and prevent disability through long covid absolutely staggers the mind and erodes my faith in humanity.

> erodes my faith in humanity

Opposite for me. Maybe people still care about freedom and agency after all.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by xeromal » Tue, Dec 19, 2023, 5:53 PM UTC

toomuchtodo wrote: post #11

throwitaway222 wrote: post #7

Where did they move? (FL?)

Mostly. People leaving Florida typically end up in Georgia or the Carolinas. > For example, most people moving to Florida moved from New York, the fourth largest state in population and a longstanding origin of Florida-bound movers. https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2023/07/04/florida-i... https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2023/06/state-to-stat...

There are a random amount of New Yorkers in my tiny city in N. Georgia. lol. Something is amiss. haha. They seem to fit in well though taking up shooting, four wheelers, and other traditional activities.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by nemo44x » Tue, Dec 19, 2023, 5:53 PM UTC

luxurytent wrote: post #14

Cities are amazingly resilient and it feels like every generation has a moment in which the city largest and most local to them is having a revival. Seems most large metros are going through some post-COVID pains: Increase in crime, extreme high cost of living, etc. New York will, like always, come back. But! The benefit to our mid size cities is great. We need these mid size cities to grow, and from my understanding…

Covid maybe in part but it’s mainly because of the demands that enforcing laws must stop by activists and certain political organizations. So crime is up and the city looks shabby and there’s drugged out zombies and homeless everywhere. So people leave.

It’s what happened in the 1960/70’s - lots of political changes made cities hospitable to crime and people left. As cities managed to become nice again, people moved back and tax revenues rose.

NYC needs another Bloomberg that’s willing to cleanup the streets and keep them nice and to stop pandering to the worst aspects of society. To put the fringe idea weirdos back on the fringe where they are better complaining about things than actually getting things done.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by lanewinfield » Tue, Dec 19, 2023, 5:54 PM UTC

jjulius wrote: post #32

cglan wrote: post #12

I live in NYC. The problem is that there’s literally 0 housing. That’s it. Literally so many people want to move here, but you look on all of streeteasy on a given day and there’s like 500 apartments. In a city of millions. Sure you can pay more and get something. But it used to be that you traded a lot of quality of life (in unit washer dryer, dishwasher, ac, no walkups, cars, space, etc) for a lower price and the s…

>I live in NYC. The problem is that there’s literally 0 housing. That’s it. >Literally so many people want to move here, but you look on all of streeteasy on a given day and there’s like 500 apartments. In a cities of millions. I'm currently in my mid-30's. Throughout all of my 20's, I thought it would be a blast to live in NYC. Then I had a good stretch where I visited it a whole bunch of times, hanging out with fri…

I lived in NYC for 10 years (the majority of my 20s).

Yes, people talk about their rent and their apartments (amongst many other things!), but it's because it's one of the things they all have in common— they rent. And because we loved to collectively complain about things.

And not once in the 10 years did I have bed bugs. I think I knew one other person with them (barring I'm sure a few who never shared).

All that being said, there is absolutely a housing shortage AND things in NYC are tougher than anywhere else. But I liken NYC to the doughnut added to the baseball bat when batters warm up— once you take it off (and live anywhere else) everything feels easier.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by homefree » Tue, Dec 19, 2023, 5:54 PM UTC

CydeWeys wrote: post #47

bequanna wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It’s still great. I’ve been to NYC many times and have friends in their late 30s that live there. The ones that live there say the same (“it’s great”) but never elaborate. From the outside, it honestly looks like a dirty, difficult, chaotic city. Many restaurants, but all seem to be copy+paste coffee shop, Italian, etc or very low quality cafe/deli. Coming from the Midwest, it feels very old, dirty and poor yet som…

It's entirely possible that you aren't missing anything, that you aren't cut out for this kind of living. But many people are and find it highly desirable, many millions more than can currently afford to live here. Also, I moved here for a job at a FANG. This is a top tier tech city, with salaries matched only by the Bay Area and Seattle. Compared to those other two I find NYC obviously superior.

I think the Bay Area and NYC have their own strengths. The Bay is more of a morning city and has a lot of nice nature and day trips around it. Easy to go to sonoma/napa, yosemite, tahoe, nice places on the peninsula, half moon bay, etc. The bay is much better for cycling too. I think the bay remains better specifically for tech (especially now with AI).

I think SF is also prettier than NYC and a lot smaller while still being a really nice place to be (also much better weather year round).

I love NYC too, it just has different advantages imo.