I have reached a point where I question and doubt any news that comes out of this conflict. Both sides and their proxies are waging massive propaganda campaigns. I only feel contempt for the leaders on both sides, and pity for all the regular people caught in the carnage. But of course, their suffering will be fodder for yet more propaganda…
'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israeli arrest, torture
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#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is there any news source in the world that isn't in some way connected to one of the parties of this war? It has to be a news source that has significant presence in the region so that they have some topical credibility, but also is not located in a country that does any business with either the Arab world or Israel. I'll wait.
There aren't any that would have access to Gaza. If you are reporting from the Palestinian side, much of your data/facts are going to come straight from Hamas spokespeople. If you report from the Israeli side, its going to be IDF spokespeople. The fog of war prevents anything but propaganda from coming out of this conflict.
Note that it is Israel which prohibits international press from accessing Gaza - they monitor the Rafah crossing and have prohibited any journalists from contacting Palestinians via any means available or releasing reporting without going through Israeli censors first. And that there are civilian journalists on the ground who are certainly not “all hamas”
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#73Meanwhile, Egypt seems to get a free pass, minimal criticism for keeping its border locked down while being adjacent to a terrible conflict?
They could at least let the most vulnerable/sick/injured flee.
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#74I have reached a point where I question and doubt any news that comes out of this conflict. Both sides and their proxies are waging massive propaganda campaigns. I only feel contempt for the leaders on both sides, and pity for all the regular people caught in the carnage. But of course, their suffering will be fodder for yet more propaganda…
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#75The things I've read about happening in Gaza are horrific. I'm ashamed that my taxes are funding this. It doesn't feel like there's much that can be done to change that. AIPAC has a very serious influence on our government and I worry that its impact is just leading to more deaths and more suffering.
Same. Then reminds me that the creation of the United States was based on strategic, coordinated genocide and I feel even worse.
It feels like a lot of modern countries are built upon the destruction of previous cultures, in one way or another. Just a shame this one had to be SO violent.
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#76> “When they spoke to us in Hebrew and we wouldn’t understand, they’d beat us up,” he continues. > “They hit me in the back where my kidneys are and my legs. They took my family, and I don’t know where they are,” he says, his voice breaking. > Before they were forced inside the warehouse, Israeli female soldiers came and spat on the men, Mohammed recalls. > In the warehouse, it was common for groups of five soldiers…
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I don't know that story, but speaking generally: what you describe is an issue (to varying degrees) with every news organization. Moreover the line between propaganda and reporting isn't static—every reader draws it differently, depending mostly on their personal identifications.
One can, however, be touched by a story on a human level without agreeing with anything else appearing on the same site, and this is consistent with how HN has handled this question for many years: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so....
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#77Just a reminder that Aljazeera is the state sponsored news of Qatar, a county that hosts Hamas leaders and is close allies with Iran. It’s not a valid news source.
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#78Taken in isolation there is nothing wrong with this type of reporting, the IDF should be held to high standards. In the context of the Israeli/Palestine conflict, there is a tendency to hold Israel to a much higher standard and excuse the Palestine side as if they were naive children. I don't see how that could possibly set up any lasting peace. Israel will become more deaf to outsiders, and Palestinians will not be entrusted to make decisions for themselves.
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#80Israel has also been imposing apartheid on Palestinians for years, a fact that high-ranking officials themselves admit [1][2], and which human rights reports confirm[3]. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/06/israel-imposin... [2] https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-08-13/ty-article/ex... [3] https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/isra...
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