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Re: Plan for Windows 10 End of Support

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Post by zamadatix »

baggachipz wrote: post #49

Strange, I thought Windows 10 was the last major version ever[1] and you'd never need to do anything but small updates from then on? [1] https://www.extremetech.com/computing/205320-microsoft-windo...

That one guy from Microsoft said it at ignite in 2015 and it ran through the media cycle despite Microsoft only ever confirming in follow ups Windows 10 would receive regular updates with no commitment there would never be new branding in the future. With how often people only remember the quote and none of the context I'm starting to wonder if it'll be like the 640k quote someday.

Re: Plan for Windows 10 End of Support

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Post by haxial »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #14
haxial wrote: post #11

I moved from Windows 10 to Linux at the end of 2021 and don't miss it a bit. Except for Steam, Reaper, and Discord, all other software I use is FOSS, and it's so dang good! I feel bad for the people who have to stick with Windows because they need to use Adobe or Microsoft products. Desktop Linux is in such a good place right now, and it's only getting better thanks to all the great developers.

How's things like sleep, hibernate, system wide touchpad gestures, HW video decode and fractional scaling working in the land of linux these days? I know if you can live without those then Linux is daily drivable for a long time, but I need all of them to work flawlessly, and every time I try Linux on my bare metal laptop a lot of those features are still missing, janky or require research and tinkering. I really wan…

No issues with sleep running Ubuntu 22.04 with GNOME; I never shut down my PC.

As for touchpad gestures, both GNOME and KDE have 1:1 gestures if you are running a Wayland session. If you are not running Wayland, you can install something like Touchegg or use another distro with built-in gestures. Linux Mint and Elementary OS both have great gesture support.

Hardware acceleration works great! Before I switched, Firefox didn't have it and in Chromium, you needed to turn on an experimental flag.

I can't comment on fractional scaling because I use two 24", 1080p monitors.

Re: Plan for Windows 10 End of Support

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

haxial wrote: post #72
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How's things like sleep, hibernate, system wide touchpad gestures, HW video decode and fractional scaling working in the land of linux these days? I know if you can live without those then Linux is daily drivable for a long time, but I need all of them to work flawlessly, and every time I try Linux on my bare metal laptop a lot of those features are still missing, janky or require research and tinkering. I really wan…

No issues with sleep running Ubuntu 22.04 with GNOME; I never shut down my PC. As for touchpad gestures, both GNOME and KDE have 1:1 gestures if you are running a Wayland session. If you are not running Wayland, you can install something like Touchegg or use another distro with built-in gestures. Linux Mint and Elementary OS both have great gesture support. Hardware acceleration works great! Before I switched, Firefo…

>No issues with sleep running Ubuntu 22.04 with GNOME; I never shut down my PC.

Ubuntu, and most other distros don't natively support hibernate. Sadly, that's a no go for me until they fix this (probably never) as I put my laptop in hibernate on longer journeys or over the weekend.

>I can't comment on fractional scaling because I use two 24", 1080p monitors.

Also need mixed DPI fractional scaling for my laptop and monitor combo.

Re: Plan for Windows 10 End of Support

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Post by JohnFen »

ska wrote: post #64
JohnFen wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With Debian, the key thing is that you usually have to install the non-free-firmware package to make things like WiFi work (anything that needs a proprietary blob). This isn't done automatically.

Yes, Over the years I've been through that (and other distros versions), downloaded/built alternate drivers etc. Last time I tried a few years ago, it still seemed pretty hardware dependant as to whether you could ever get it all working quite right.

Now that I think of it, there have been two times relatively recently that I've not had something work "out of the box".

One is for a WiFi dongle: it needed a driver that wasn't in the non-free-firmware package, and the manufacturer's Linux driver was too old to work with modern Linux. Fortunately, someone had written a replacement driver that I could get from github. That involved compiling the driver code, though, and the process wasn't something a non-geek could be expected to do.

The other wasn't for a laptop at all, but a tower. I'd installed a WiFi card in it that didn't work out of the box -- I had to copy the firmware from the CD that came with it onto my machine to make it work. That was easy enough to do, though, that my grandma could have done it without a problem by following the readme on the CD.

That said, I run an abnormal number of Linux machines, and two hiccups out of a dozen or so seems like a decent track record to me.

Re: Plan for Windows 10 End of Support

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Post by ska »

JohnFen wrote: post #74
ska wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, Over the years I've been through that (and other distros versions), downloaded/built alternate drivers etc. Last time I tried a few years ago, it still seemed pretty hardware dependant as to whether you could ever get it all working quite right.

Now that I think of it, there have been two times relatively recently that I've not had something work "out of the box". One is for a WiFi dongle: it needed a driver that wasn't in the non-free-firmware package, and the manufacturer's Linux driver was too old to work with modern Linux. Fortunately, someone had written a replacement driver that I could get from github. That involved compiling the driver code, though,…

> and two hiccups out of a dozen or so seems like a decent track record to me.

certainly better that the good (bad?) old days! At one point with laptops at least it seemed to be no better than chance. Maybe worse.

Re: Plan for Windows 10 End of Support

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

Alifatisk wrote: post #51
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I meant if you do a clean install via UUP dump generated ISO or a Rufus modified ISO, then it bypassed the TPM check. Updating an existing install on non compliant HW via the official update button obviously doesn't work (unless there's some hacks for it that came out, I don't know I always do a clean install between major versions since I don't want all the years of cruft and changes from one version to be carried o…

> Updating an existing install on non compliant HW via the official update button > do a clean install via UUP dump generated ISO or a Rufus modified ISO, then it bypassed the TPM check I'll have backup my stuff before a clean install then, not ready yet but thanks for the guide! I'll do it when I get the time.

BTW, IIRC if you go the UUP dump route, then you should also be able to run the windows 11 installer directly from windows 10 after you mount the generated ISO so maybe you can indeed run the update instead of clean install. I did the update that way on a tablet, but that had TPM but no official Windows 11 support.

Re: Plan for Windows 10 End of Support

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Post by IntelMiner »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #40
IntelMiner wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Windows 11's hardware requirements were made to coincide with CPU's that had hardware mitigation for Meltdown and Spectre attacks, as part of their attempt to push the general baseline of security for average users

But I couldn't possibly care less about Meltdown and Spectre. It's not clear why anyone does, unless they are running a cloud provider. In fact, history suggests that the malicious actor who is most likely to hose my PC or otherwise interfere with my workflow is.... Microsoft.

And a lot of other users "couldn't possibly care less" about downloading MP3.EXE files off Limewire

other users today "couldn't possibly care less" about keeping their systems updated let alone running any kind of Anti-Virus

Unfortunately throwing its hands up and saying "nobody cares so why bother" isn't really a great look for a software vendor

Re: Plan for Windows 10 End of Support

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Post by CamperBob2 »

IntelMiner wrote: post #77
CamperBob2 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But I couldn't possibly care less about Meltdown and Spectre. It's not clear why anyone does, unless they are running a cloud provider. In fact, history suggests that the malicious actor who is most likely to hose my PC or otherwise interfere with my workflow is.... Microsoft.

And a lot of other users "couldn't possibly care less" about downloading MP3.EXE files off Limewire other users today "couldn't possibly care less" about keeping their systems updated let alone running any kind of Anti-Virus Unfortunately throwing its hands up and saying "nobody cares so why bother" isn't really a great look for a software vendor

Show me a single Meltdown or Spectre exploit that has affected real users.

Can't? Then you're just selling tiger-proof rocks. Expensive ones.

Re: Plan for Windows 10 End of Support

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Post by IntelMiner »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #78
IntelMiner wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And a lot of other users "couldn't possibly care less" about downloading MP3.EXE files off Limewire other users today "couldn't possibly care less" about keeping their systems updated let alone running any kind of Anti-Virus Unfortunately throwing its hands up and saying "nobody cares so why bother" isn't really a great look for a software vendor

Show me a single Meltdown or Spectre exploit that has affected real users. Can't? Then you're just selling tiger-proof rocks. Expensive ones.

"Everything is working, what do I even pay you for!"
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