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He blew the whistle on Amazon. He's still paying the price

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Re: He blew the whistle on Amazon. He's still paying the price

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cloudflare captchas really are a grade a pest at the moment, i already switched my DNS once because i always got stuck, now it happens again

It’s stuck an an infinite loop for me. Click the pictures, get the green tick, click the button, a brand new captcha

yup, that’s what i mean. try switching to a different domain name server

Re: He blew the whistle on Amazon. He's still paying the price

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Slavery is de-facto legal in China and their justice system is rotten to the core. Is this really news to anyone? I would be surprised if this had ended differently.

The slavery and working conditions in China no longer really surprises me, what I do struggle to understand is that Western companies apparently DO NOT CARE. I can sort of accept, reluctantly, that the Chinese have a different way to thinking than I do and that I can't necessarily apply my moral code to China. What I cannot accept or understand is that the owners and managers of Western companies, who supposedly shar…

> ...the owners and managers of Western companies, who supposedly share my moral ideals, continues to do business...

SUPPOSEDLY - just like Big Tobacco has always wanted everyone to know the scientific truth about the health effects of smoking tobacco, right?

Capitalism optimizes for profit. If some profits need to be foregone or spent on pretending to share the moral ideals of the consumers - that also gets optimized, to minimize performative idealism and its costs.

Re: He blew the whistle on Amazon. He's still paying the price

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> What I cannot accept or understand is that the owners and managers of Western companies, who supposedly share my moral ideals Are you really sure that these people share your own moral ideals? ;-)

Western companies which cared, went a bit bankrupt sadly. We have negative selection here.

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Re: He blew the whistle on Amazon. He's still paying the price

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"Under Chinese competition law, the complainant has to show proof that their business operations were hurt by the theft of trade secrets. Foxconn said that, as a result of Tang’s disclosures, it had incurred costs of Rmb1.4mn (about £150,000) in August from having to raise its salaries."

I don't think this would even fly in the US.

Re: He blew the whistle on Amazon. He's still paying the price

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I'm not quite sure what your objection is? Are you generally against companies providing services related to warfare? Or are you specifically against providing services for the Israel/Gaza conflict?

If the former - if you are generally protesting commercial services for the military - then there are a lot of companies you need to boycott, before you get around to Amazon. Amazon is a small fish in the sea.

If the latter, then cancelling your Amazon account is pretty small potatos to protest the Israeli attack on Hamas. And I would have to ask: have you also protested the Hamas attack on Israel? While the whole situation is a mess, Hamas definitely started this particular fist-fight.

Re: He blew the whistle on Amazon. He's still paying the price

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> continues to do business with China ... It's absolutely disgusting. I want to inject some nuance here. Competition in the labor market, which drives business to low- or middle-income countries like China, is really really good for the typical low-middle income person in China. If wealthy countries pulled out entirely, then China's GDP per capita will probably drop from $12,000 back to sub-$5,000 and you will be cau…

No fuck that argument people use to whitewash bad/harsch working conditions. "A low income is better than no income". "Better be employed as a slave than unemployed" is basically what they say. Inless its not a close relative or your own kids working there. You would immediately change your opinion if thats the case. That fucked western hypocritical way of thinking needs to stop. Its really bad. Better everyone being…

> Better everyone being a poor rice farmer than working in shit factory.

Why do the poor rice farmers line up to apply for factory jobs?

Re: He blew the whistle on Amazon. He's still paying the price

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> What I cannot accept or understand is that the owners and managers of Western companies, who supposedly share my moral ideals Are you really sure that these people share your own moral ideals? ;-)

Western companies which cared, went a bit bankrupt sadly. We have negative selection here.

Yes, a system called "capitalism" that works perfectly only in theory, and where bending rules creates winning conditions, and corruption is on always upward trend lines.

Re: He blew the whistle on Amazon. He's still paying the price

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Thanks. Ariel is a rare hero. Speaking out against Israel is a clearly a potential danger to your career, and especially something like this. Imagine speaking out against something else that is making Google a couple of hundred million or whatever. "Nest is bad for privacy!". They wouldn't give a shit.

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Western companies can't afford to care, as their consumers are buying based on price. Bad working conditions usually mean lower prices, and more success for the company using this. You can't expect companies to fix this, this needs to come through politics and government. Unfortunately, these days governments who try to address it will be considered enemies of capitalism, considered leftish or communist. As prices wi…

> this needs to come through politics and government. There's nothing western politicians can do to fix working conditions in China. Embargo them? The working conditions in China won't get any better, and you'll simply put a lot of Chinese out of work by doing that. Higher tariffs? That's just a tax on importing goods for China. While it helps the domestic manufacturing sector, it still does nothing to fix the workin…

Rules on products sold in the west. Most manufacturing companies already need to trace the origin of their components, so you could specify what products are and aren't allowed to be sold in the west.
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