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YouTuber sentenced to 6 months in prison for obstructing probe into plane crash

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Re: YouTuber sentenced to 6 months in prison for obstructing probe into plane crash

#71
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It's unclear to me why he's destroyed this evidence or how the vague explanation suggested in the article (for YouTube views) makes any sense. Anyone understand it?

Seems pretty clear to me. There was evidence of a crime he was being investigated for.

Re: YouTuber sentenced to 6 months in prison for obstructing probe into plane crash

#72

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What does "control" mean, technically? I have an intuitive sense of what you're pointing at with the Boeing 727 crash experiment, but how does the law phrase it?

> What does "control" mean, technically? "The power to govern, manage, direct, or oversee something" [1]. So if I own/possess acres of unfenced grasslands, I'd need to put up fences or people to monitor the property or at the very least crash site's borders. [1] https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/control

It's a more specific definition in aviation -- think air traffic control. You need to actively make sure that there won't be any other flights near where you're intending to crash your plane which is tricky if you just bail at altitude and let it sail into terrain for YouTube.

If you want to crash a plane, you'd likely have to apply for/receive temporary flight restrictions over the area where you want to crash it so that ATC can ensure everyone else stays clear.

https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/foa_html...

Re: YouTuber sentenced to 6 months in prison for obstructing probe into plane crash

#73

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Nobody does hard time for stealing a loaf of bread, but sure keep ranting..

USSR? China? Malaysia? Saudi Arabia? Iran? USA if the police and DA want to make an example?

I doubt anyone does any jail time for stealing bread unless they are habitual offender(multiple felony convictions) or its aggravated theft(eg: by force/violence). Court cases are public so feel free to prove me wrong.

Re: YouTuber sentenced to 6 months in prison for obstructing probe into plane crash

#74

Sentenced not for crashing the plane, but destroying the evidence and impeding a federal investigation. Hope they pull his pilots license if they haven't already.

Yeah, but if he hadn't covered it up it seems pretty clear he would have been charged for deliberately crashing instead.

Re: YouTuber sentenced to 6 months in prison for obstructing probe into plane crash

#75
post #68

He deserves a much longer sentence for this. There is so much risk of killing someone or damaging property. Even in a remote area you cannot be sure there is nothing below or that you won’t start a forest fire. I’ve seen less bad crimes get years.

Millions of lives became a smidge more interesting because they got to see, think, talk and be outraged by this guy crashing a plane into a remote mountain range on purpose. As a society we can afford things like this if they're a one-off. It's slightly more fun if this happens once in 10 years than if it happens zero times. If 6 months is all he gets then that seems right to me, maybe even a bit much.

I’m not sure I agree that this is in some way culturally worth it. But I have to concede, this is basically how Damn Interesting episodes get made.

Re: YouTuber sentenced to 6 months in prison for obstructing probe into plane crash

#76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What does "control" mean, technically? "The power to govern, manage, direct, or oversee something" [1]. So if I own/possess acres of unfenced grasslands, I'd need to put up fences or people to monitor the property or at the very least crash site's borders. [1] https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/control

It's a more specific definition in aviation -- think air traffic control . You need to actively make sure that there won't be any other flights near where you're intending to crash your plane which is tricky if you just bail at altitude and let it sail into terrain for YouTube. If you want to crash a plane, you'd likely have to apply for/receive temporary flight restrictions over the area where you want to crash it s…

> you'd likely have to apply for/receive temporary flight restrictions over the area where you want to crash it so that ATC can ensure everyone else stays clear

Correct. I was simply talking about control of the land underneath. Owning and controlling the land doesn't mean you have any rights to its airspace.

Re: YouTuber sentenced to 6 months in prison for obstructing probe into plane crash

#77
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It’s a big black mark on your reputation, it’s rarely worth it. He could have injured or killed someone for a video. Crime doesn’t pay

It’s a big black mark on your reputation, it’s rarely worth it. Maybe if he was applying for a job at the FAA, as a pilot, or as a school teacher. but for a professional youtuber, not so much.

It does close those doors though.

Re: YouTuber sentenced to 6 months in prison for obstructing probe into plane crash

#78

For me, the really interesting question is not if he's guilty - I had assumed as much - but if he will come out financially successful. That video had millions of views and a sponsorship deal. Call me a cynic, but it seems that some companies will deliberately break the law and pay the price if it's worth it, so why not independent hustlers.

Legal fees alone are going to be many times YouTube revenue. Add lost wages for a half year in prison. Add future lost revenue from sponsors who don't want to be associated with this, and it has to be a huge financial disaster.

Plus, and I’m speculating here, there might be a breach of contract or tos here and there due to illegal activities, so he might even have to return some or all revenues.

Re: YouTuber sentenced to 6 months in prison for obstructing probe into plane crash

#79

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Even if the legal fees weren't many times the revenue, I never understood why couldn't the justice system default to fines like "All income arising out of crime + $XYZ" for all crimes, so that the fine is never a cost of doing business?

Perhaps laziness? Determining which profits are due to a crime could be difficult to separate from legitimate activity. That said, they could write the law to claw back anything that's easily accounted for, and just use some approximations when that's impractical.

It doesn't even need to be an exact or accurate accounting of money made due to crime. The legal system could impose fines high enough to hurt regardless of where the money came from, and pretty much everyone agrees that they should because otherwise fines are just a cost of doing business. The fact that the legal system refuses to do that when it's so obvious that not doing it is harmful to everyone except criminal corporations is troubling.

Re: YouTuber sentenced to 6 months in prison for obstructing probe into plane crash

#80

He deserves a much longer sentence for this. There is so much risk of killing someone or damaging property. Even in a remote area you cannot be sure there is nothing below or that you won’t start a forest fire. I’ve seen less bad crimes get years.

There are things that shouldn't have been crimes at all ruin people's lives. I'm not saying this guy deserves to lose everything, but I agree that less than one year isn't justice considering all the harm he did and could have caused.
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