DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC • Hacker News Board

Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by squeaky-clean » Mon, Dec 04, 2023, 8:56 PM UTC

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #19

ejstronge wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They used tips (and may still use tips) to refund themselves for the minimum pay offered to dashers. The language was very deceptive, as giving a tip did not always increase the amount of money received by a dasher.

I thought they got the tip if they got more than the minimum pay in tips. Otherwise, DD used the tip to pay them. Meaning - if you somehow work one job and it takes an entire hour - and you got a $10 tip - you would only make $29, not $29 + $10x1 = $39. If you worked 1 hour and did 5 jobs - each with $10 tips - you would get paid $50 - not $29 + $10x5 = $79.

There was a lot of backlash when it was revealed DoorDash was taking tips like the method you stated. Now they give the entire tip to the driver regardless of minimum pay.

OP was making a joke that no, it's not "as always" because there wqs a pretty large scandal just a few years ago centered around DoorDash not paying 100% of tips.

Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by BoiledCabbage » Mon, Dec 04, 2023, 8:57 PM UTC

lhorie wrote: post #50

kiba wrote: post #23

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They aren't really viable business models to begin with. Only VC funding can keep these online platform up.

That's a somewhat outdated narrative to still be parroting. Uber just got included into the SP 500. One of the pre-requisites for that is being profitable on a GAAP basis.

Which if I recall correctly they are only profitable due to a one time revenue boost right of something like hundreds of millions ?

And that one time "revenue" boost was that a company they own they are asserting is now valued more than last year. And they are calling that "revenue".

Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Dec 04, 2023, 8:57 PM UTC

lhorie wrote: post #50

kiba wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They aren't really viable business models to begin with. Only VC funding can keep these online platform up.

That's a somewhat outdated narrative to still be parroting. Uber just got included into the SP 500. One of the pre-requisites for that is being profitable on a GAAP basis.

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Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by throwitaway222 » Mon, Dec 04, 2023, 8:58 PM UTC

Why not just get rid of prices and the contractors can just put in a price per delivery that makes it worth it to them?

Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by hypeatei » Mon, Dec 04, 2023, 8:59 PM UTC

ceejayoz wrote: post #66

hypeatei wrote: post #59

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Not with DoorDash, drivers recieve the tip no matter what. If you talk to support and get your tip refunded (for poor service or something), DD eats the cost.

https://www.today.com/food/restaurants/tip-baiting-delivery-... > Tip baiting is when customers enter a certain tip amount when they order their food or groceries on a food delivery app like Uber Eats, DoorDash, Grubhub or Instacart and then lower the amount or remove the tip entirely after they have gotten their delivery. Maybe they changed policy at some point?

I'm not totally sure. There isn't a mechanism in the app to remove a tip as a customer. Drivers on DD-related subreddits say it isn't possible for a tip to be taken back.

Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by squeaky-clean » Mon, Dec 04, 2023, 9:00 PM UTC

gen220 wrote: post #65

Do other people in NYC use Doordash? Curious to understand people who do. Anecdotally, I never have even considered it – although it's true that I'm somebody who prefers choosing my own groceries. I feel like the value prop (i.e. value less [opportunity] costs) is de minimis to most in NYC, with abundant grocers and restaurants at every price point.

Yeah but then you have to leave your home. I know people who use it plenty because they're too lazy or busy (the person I know who uses it most is in med school and has basically no life currently except for studying and school).

I use it when I'm too sick to leave home and I'm not stocked up on food. Or board game nights when we don't want someone to have to leave to pick up food. All the delivery apps have such bad customer experience though, we usually now just agree on food beforehand and have one person pick it up on their way.

Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by SoftTalker » Mon, Dec 04, 2023, 9:00 PM UTC

squokko wrote: post #40

dangrossman wrote: post #20

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The sick and disabled greatly value the advent of delivery apps. Not all who use them can reasonably "just pick it up yourself".

What did they do before DoorDash?

Meals-on-Wheels or similar volunteers/charities that deliver meals, groceries, and essential supplies to the disabled and elderly.

Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by squeaky-clean » Mon, Dec 04, 2023, 9:02 PM UTC

19f191ty wrote: post #14

Assuming a delivery worker works 5 hours a day for 5 days a week, that's roughly 35,916 usd. As a PhD student that hits hard.

That's "active work" though. So you're also going to be spending a lot of extra time sitting in your car waiting for delivery offers to come in. Outside of lunch and dinner hours, you'll probably be spending an equal amount of time idle as you are "active" according to DD.

Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by stronglikedan » Mon, Dec 04, 2023, 9:03 PM UTC

8bitben wrote: post #18

The platform fees and the insane menu price markups that restaurants apply for delivery app orders have made it impractical to use Uber Eats & DoorDash for a couple years now IMO. I only ever consider using them when offered at least 50% off. Mandated minimum earnings will benefit the drivers, but that won't help drivers that have to quit the platforms because people stop using them.

FWIW, the people that order food regularly don't care that they are paying an exorbitant fee for it, and there are plenty of them. The folks that don't regularly order may order less, but that's not going to really have a significant impact on the business overall.

Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by Bostonian » Mon, Dec 04, 2023, 9:03 PM UTC

toomuchtodo wrote: post #55

Fernicia wrote: post #53

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Agreed. Food delivery is a luxury that should only be afforded to the wealthy. There are far too many delivery drivers serving low income areas. We must price out those neighbourhoods immediately.

Poor people can't afford luxuries. It is an unfortunate truth. Having another human do something for you requires you be able to afford their labor. Sometimes we subsidize if you cannot afford it (healthcare). Sometimes we don't (fast food delivery). If you believe you're entitled to undervaluing someone else's labor below a living wage while being poor yourself, can't help that. Belief systems are weird.

If I get food delivered for less than some definition of a living wage, the delivery person is still better off than if I had walked to the restaurant myself. If the delivery person had a better job available, he or she would have taken it.