IKamasutra: Apple Hates Brunettes • Hacker News Board

Re: IKamasutra: Apple Hates Brunettes

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Apr 17, 2012, 1:47 PM UTC

excuse-me wrote: post #49

bambax wrote: post #41

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In this case the crux of the problem is that they're deleting an app that's almost as old as the app store itself. Curating content is almost impossible to do; app stores should limit their reviews to exclude: - viruses - blatant spam and copyright violations and THAT'S IT. Assessing the quality of an app is what users' ratings are for (and of course excluding adult content is just childish).

App stores should do what is good for their shareholders Apple is trying to move from being the cool kids counter-culture creative types alternative to the PC to being the corporate acceptable alternative to the Blackberry. A story about karmasutra apps or ifart in the WSJ could cause a CEO to change their mind about allowing users to use their iPhone on the corp network. And of course the best way of preventing such…

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Re: IKamasutra: Apple Hates Brunettes

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Post by cageface » Tue, Apr 17, 2012, 1:48 PM UTC

Drakim wrote: post #34

rmc wrote: post #21

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Yes the fact that you can add extra apps is better than the 'our way or the highway' approach of the apple app store, but defaults matter . 99% of people think the play store/app store/android market is the only way to do it. You remove it from there, it's gone.

What matters more is the fact that if a family member of mine wants me to make a personalized app for their iPhone, it's not doable unless the great big Apple approves of the app. (or we jailbreak). That's just ridiculous in so many ways. Even if you want to wall in your hardware to your own appstore, you should always provide SOME way of letting users install their own software, even if it's some hidden obscure opti…

This is actually not true. You can create a new "ad-doc" provisioning profile and install it on your friend's/family's phones and they can install the app manually through iTunes or via a service like Testflight.

Re: IKamasutra: Apple Hates Brunettes

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Post by vacri » Tue, Apr 17, 2012, 1:48 PM UTC

spacemanaki wrote: post #31

rimantas wrote: post #25

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I still cannot wrap my head around this. My brain just switches off when I try to think how did we come to this when nudity (and of course sex) is taboo, but killing people is OK. The fact that I don't even see any discussions about this baffles me even more.

There is discussion about it, among both the gaming and film industries. See my sibling comment to yours and the documentary "This Film Is Not Yet Rated" which is from 2005 IIRC. They delve into it quite deeply, even looking at why some sex scenes are given the deadly NC-17 (spoiler: the MPAA doesn't like gay sex and sex where the woman is enjoying it) and comparing the kinds of violence in films that are rated diffe…

The first scene in Saving Private Ryan was realistic. Everything after it was very unrealistic, with experienced German troops running into gunfire in the open like lemmings. I remember one veteran who was angry because it insulted both armies - it made the Germans look incompetant when they weren't, which in turn trivialised the incredible effort it took to defeat them.

Re: IKamasutra: Apple Hates Brunettes

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Post by vacri » Tue, Apr 17, 2012, 1:51 PM UTC

chris_wot wrote: post #61

mrich wrote: post #56

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Let's not act like he would have cared about this while he was alive. Apple's products and services always place family-friendlyness over any kind of free expression.

Steve Jobs was quoted as saying "those who want porn can get an Android". I'm very much afraid you are wrong on this one.

Isn't that exactly what mrich is saying? Family-friendly over porn?

I remember reading a quote of Jobs where he said 'no-one wants porn on their phone', when clearly porn is popular enough that plenty of people do.

Re: IKamasutra: Apple Hates Brunettes

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Post by acqq » Tue, Apr 17, 2012, 1:51 PM UTC

treelovinhippie wrote: post #70

bambax wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In this case the crux of the problem is that they're deleting an app that's almost as old as the app store itself. Curating content is almost impossible to do; app stores should limit their reviews to exclude: - viruses - blatant spam and copyright violations and THAT'S IT. Assessing the quality of an app is what users' ratings are for (and of course excluding adult content is just childish).

Yes exactly! Could you imagine how far behind the Internet (and society) would be if any website you wanted to launch had to first be reviewed and assessed by Apple/Google/ ! This system of app review and locked-down pay-wall systems makes commercial sense for now, but ultimately it is not scalable, doesn't provide quality and is too slow. Any system that goes against the grain of a major trend, progressing along a r…

> Could you imagine how far behind the Internet (and society) would be if any website you wanted to launch had to first be reviewed and assessed by Apple/Google/

You can have now your site accessible from the iPhone without the approval from Apple. It's not about availability, it's about the convenience of selling on the regulated highly accessible market. To sell in their store you enter the contract between them and you, the same way you'd do this if you'd want to have Walmart selling your goods instead of selling them on your own on the street, and even for selling on the street you'd have to follow the local laws.

Re: IKamasutra: Apple Hates Brunettes

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Post by batista » Tue, Apr 17, 2012, 1:52 PM UTC

Drakim wrote: post #34

rmc wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes the fact that you can add extra apps is better than the 'our way or the highway' approach of the apple app store, but defaults matter . 99% of people think the play store/app store/android market is the only way to do it. You remove it from there, it's gone.

What matters more is the fact that if a family member of mine wants me to make a personalized app for their iPhone, it's not doable unless the great big Apple approves of the app. (or we jailbreak). That's just ridiculous in so many ways. Even if you want to wall in your hardware to your own appstore, you should always provide SOME way of letting users install their own software, even if it's some hidden obscure opti…

On the other hand, it's far less likely that "a family member of yours will want you to make a personalized app for their iPhone and you'll need Apple's permission" (the problem the App Store creates)

than "the general no tech-savvy population will have problems with malware and/or malicious apps they install without knowing what they are doing" (the problem the App Store is supposed to solve)

Re: IKamasutra: Apple Hates Brunettes

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Post by whackberry » Tue, Apr 17, 2012, 1:56 PM UTC

Google was able to portray an image of being good and free and transparent early on in its existence. This image still lingers from their PR efforts but the reality is that Google is one of the most agressive corporations out there. Let's not demonize Google in particular, Sillicon Valley is brutal. But, let's also make clear that Google isn't some nice old lady that does no evil. Google spies on users just like Facebook, Google plays hardball with its monopoly in web search like Microsoft played monopoly with their OS. Google goes the whole nine yards in the Sillicon Valley dirty games and still these articles all mention "Google is open" or "how could Google do evil". Google has a PR team as good as or better than their programmers, that is a fact.

Re: IKamasutra: Apple Hates Brunettes

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Post by Drakim » Tue, Apr 17, 2012, 1:56 PM UTC

michh wrote: post #40

Drakim wrote: post #36

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If a carrier is being evil I can switch to another carrier though. And if enough people avoid carriers because they lock you in, they will take notice. There is nothing like this for iPhone. You can't go to a different company than Apple to buy your iPhone on different terms.

I'm rather skeptical of this. Perhaps because I live somewhere where there's only 3 different carriers and they all started capping mobile internet in the same month. And they all dramatically raised prices in the same month. Etc. For now, you're able to buy a vanilla Android phone from a third party, but what happens when carriers start to only allow IMEIs sold through them or their subsidiaries on their networks? C…

I'm not the most knowledgeable within mobile geekery, but couldn't you in buy an android phone with no contract over the net and get a sim card for it?

Re: IKamasutra: Apple Hates Brunettes

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Post by batista » Tue, Apr 17, 2012, 1:59 PM UTC

rimantas wrote: post #25

kodisha wrote: post #13

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So, let me try to figure this out: Kama Sutra - not ok. Killing people app[1] - ok. ??? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8gAdb2N7Po

I still cannot wrap my head around this. My brain just switches off when I try to think how did we come to this when nudity (and of course sex) is taboo, but killing people is OK. The fact that I don't even see any discussions about this baffles me even more.

Anthropologically speaking, it makes much sense: killing people is sometimes needed to ensure the survival of the community. Raunchy sex is not.

Mere reproduction-level sex can ensure the survival of a community just fine. Plus, sex can quickly get communities into trouble (rivalries, mainly, also people becoming absent-minded etc).

Re: IKamasutra: Apple Hates Brunettes

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Post by StCroix » Tue, Apr 17, 2012, 1:59 PM UTC

chris_wot wrote: post #61

mrich wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's not act like he would have cared about this while he was alive. Apple's products and services always place family-friendlyness over any kind of free expression.

Steve Jobs was quoted as saying "those who want porn can get an Android". I'm very much afraid you are wrong on this one.

Yeah as I say, "I hope"... maybe even retrospectively from atop of his own 'iCloud'. Please read my comment as slightly tongue in cheek, I'm well aware of his later-life stance on adult material.