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Don’t think I’d explain it as being that simple. Rusyns today are also descendants of Rus but don’t get much recognition in Ukraine today.
Even the Ukrainian state’s non-recognition of the Rusyn people isn’t so simple: in Slovakia you can meet minority East Slavic speakers who insist that what they speak is “Ukrainian” (when it’s obviously not), and that “Rusyn” is a weird label outsiders keep trying to pin on them.
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#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
Even the Ukrainian state’s non-recognition of the Rusyn people isn’t so simple: in Slovakia you can meet minority East Slavic speakers who insist that what they speak is “Ukrainian” (when it’s obviously not), and that “Rusyn” is a weird label outsiders keep trying to pin on them.
I'm of Rusyn descent from Eastern Slovakia and I have never heard of this.
My experience is from mid 2019 in communities around Medzilaborce where I was collecting microtoponymic data. I was obviously inclined to think of this minority East Slavic material as Rusyn, but my informants insisted that it was “Ukrainian”. Considering that these communities have produced figures who went on to be famous in wider “Ukrainian” movements, it is no surprise that the two ethnonyms have competed in that region.
EDIT: So I went searching to read more about this using "Čertižné" (one of the supposedly “Ukrainian” villages) as a search term. In this essay[0] where a writer of Čertižné descent is mostly busy criticizing Timothy Snyder, he briefly sketches the phenomenon I witnessed:
"The end of WW2 saw the annexation of Subcarpathian Rus’, renamed Transcarpathia, into the USSR. To legitimize seizure of this territory, Stalin brought the debate over the ethnic identity to a close and deemed all Rusyns Ukrainian. Rusyn became a bourgeoise term placed outside of law and all those who identified as such were now forcefully Ukrainianized. Some Rusyns in Czechoslovakia, given the choice of complete assimilation or at least a partial preservation of their culture, accepted the Ukrainian label. For example, the current director of the Rusyn Museum in Prešov, Ľuba Kráľová, identified as a Ukrainian during the communist regime even though she doesn’t speak Ukrainian. Other Rusyns felt closer to the Slovak ethnic identity than to the Ukrainian one."
[0] https://rusynsociety.com/2023/04/03/where-timothy-snyder-fal...
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I'm of Rusyn descent from Eastern Slovakia and I have never heard of this.
Which villages does your family descend from specifically? Although it wouldn’t be surprising if a person of Rusyn descent has never heard of this, since one of the most frequent remarks in histories of the Rusyn people is that the identity has sometimes flourished more in the diaspora than in situ. My experience is from mid 2019 in communities around Medzilaborce where I was collecting microtoponymic data. I was obv…
There's many flavors to rusyns/ruthenians, they can't even agree on the same language so it's possible that they don't relate to other rusyns or they are afraid to admit they are rusyns because they used to be oppressed for it in the past.
If you understand the language I recommend the website rusyn.sk, especially the jokes[0], they are a bit different flavor, sometimes not politically correct and my friends love it.
PS: looking for the link to the jokes I found [1] that specifically talks about rusyn vs ukrainian identity - it's in standard Slovak language so google translate should deal with it fine if you can't read Slovak.
[0] https://www.rusyn.sk/ujko-vasyl/
[1] https://www.rusyn.sk/nemozes-rusinom-hovorit-ze-su-ukrajinci...
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#76There's something weirdly universal about pierogi ruskie. I've not met anyone not liking them. Actually everyone I introduced to them loved the taste. (people usually try to look up polish delis / kitchens in the area that sell them afterwards) Given the simplicity of the ingredients, that's really impressive.
polish person here, i don't like them sauerkraut+mushrooms pierogi are the best
jk - pierogi are like dogs: there're just no bad pierogis
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#77There's an interesting shift in language associated with the Russian invasion of Ukraine - a type of pierogi which used to be called ruskie (from the region of Red Rus, where they originate) are now commonly named ukraińskie (Ukrainian) instead. The reason is that the adjective ruskie is typically understood as "Russian" in general parlance.
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I have been in Poland for much of the time since the war started, and while I have read news articles about this supposed new term pierogie ukraińskie , I don’t think I have ever seen it in the real world. The pierogis served at milk bars, or from Żabka to be microwaved, are still overwhelmingly referred to as ruskie . Even the Ukrainian cafe nearby serves them as pierogie ruskie .
In Ukraine they're called Varenyky (originating from a verb "boil", like "boiled things").
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That only happened in the first few weeks/months following the invasion, and since then people returned to calling them "Ruskie". The general consensus is that the name refers to the historical area of Ruthenia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruthenia
I no longer live there, but when I visit now, I often see the name "Kresowe" having replaced "Ruskie", Kresy being the name of a historical region around the Polish/Ukrainian border.