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In 1903, NY Times predicted airplanes would take 10M years to develop

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Re: In 1903, NY Times predicted airplanes would take 10M years to develop

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If we're discussing garbage content from the NY Times, then their criticism of Robert Goddard tops the list for me https://www.forbes.com/sites/kionasmith/2018/07/19/the-corre...

Thomas Friedman's incessant promotion of invading Iraq probably tops that one. They still publish him.

Re: In 1903, NY Times predicted airplanes would take 10M years to develop

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It's a bit difficult to arrive at any number of years past 10,000 for any invention imaginable, past that they will all be unimaginable.

What about a Dyson sphere? Or time travel? Or FTL travel?

If we haven't figured out fusion by the time we could build a Dyson sphere-analog, and therefore have no need for such frippery, it will be our shame. Time travel is easy in the forward direction; we are all performing it at close to light-speed, in Minkowski space. FTL travel might turn out to be possible in the next millennium, even if not meaningfully useful. FTL travel and (backward) time travel are equivalent.

Re: In 1903, NY Times predicted airplanes would take 10M years to develop

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So, the "Big Thinks" assertion here is that sometimes people are wrong and as a result incorrectly predict the future and that this pattern continues today. This is all so obvious and leads to no specific conclusion so I have to wonder, who is this article actually _for_? People who just don't like hearing the word "no?" The Navy general was partly right. The government was the wrong entity to pursue flight and it wa…

The bigthink article took a joke out of context and called it a prediction. Here is the full NYT article text, the author is clearly making a joke about planes needing to evolve wings like birds did: http://www.bretswanson.com/index.php/2016/02/pessimistic-pre...

Whatever conclusion the big think article draws is on a misreading of the source NYT article.

Re: In 1903, NY Times predicted airplanes would take 10M years to develop

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How exactly are you measuring "return" in this case? Because I feel that would be nearly impossible.

Right! Even taking "return" very literally, the lunar rock samples brought back are incredibly valuable to science. And the spinoff/technological stimulus value of the program is even harder to quantify--consider that during one year, Project Apollo purchased >60% of U.S. semiconductor production. This was a critical early market for Fairchild Semiconductor, e.g. [1] [1]: https://books.google.com/books?id=gXYItzQARVo…

Spinoffs from Apollo, anyway, clearly returned more than the cost.

The moon rocks, not so much. We have meteorites that came from moon. And from Mars! I could happily leave aside sending anything more to Mars.

Re: In 1903, NY Times predicted airplanes would take 10M years to develop

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It wasn't just national prestige, it was a component of the arms race that defined all geopolitical relations in that era.

So few people seem to realize that the point of many of these technological/societal achievements wasn’t necessarily the deliverable itself, but the development and implication of capabilities required to achieve them. In simple terms, it was sending a global message: “If our propulsion and guidance technology can put people on the moon, imagine what else would be trivial for us?”

The US was already far ahead in their military capabilities. Landing on the moon first or second would change nothing about this.

Re: In 1903, NY Times predicted airplanes would take 10M years to develop

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The moon program was extremely expensive and the return (scientific or otherwise) was rather small in comparison.

The Apollo program is estimated to have generated a ROI of $7-8 for every dollar spent by NASA. Today NASA has a budget of around $20 billion but they generate $70 billion in economic output. 0: https://nss.org/settlement/nasa/spaceresvol4/newspace3.html 1: https://thehill.com/opinion/technology/3721375-how-much-does...

I do not understand how this ROI was calculated. What, exactly, is the economic use case for NASA technology?
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