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How Jensen Huang's Nvidia is powering the A.I. revolution

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Re: How Jensen Huang's Nvidia is powering the A.I. revolution

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Post by kvemkon »

smoldesu wrote: post #22
hhsectech wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NVIDIA is the leader because most academic AI setups are NVIDIA based. When AI moves further away from academia NVIDIA will have less of a grip. Proprietary, hardware specific APIs never stand the test of time. Ask 3Dfx. Either CUDA will open up, if it is to survive or open API use will spread. Weirdly, NVIDIA hardware only outperforms competitors on its own API. When you compare NVIDIA on a level playing field, they…

> Either CUDA will open up, if it is to survive or open API use will spread. CUDA won't die if Open APIs take over AI inferencing operations. It's still used and applied in so many niche industries that it can only be "replaced" in industries like AI where companies invest in moving digital mountains. Stuff like Microsoft's ONNX project will go a long way towards making CUDA unneccesary for AI acceleration, but it wo…

> AMD is an amazing company for being open and transparent with their approach ...

Is it known, why consumer cards do not have fp64:fp32 performance at about 1:2?

Re: How Jensen Huang's Nvidia is powering the A.I. revolution

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Post by dkqmduems »

gwern wrote: post #14

> In May, hundreds of industry leaders endorsed a statement that equated the risk of runaway A.I. with that of nuclear war. Huang didn’t sign it. Some economists have observed that the Industrial Revolution led to a relative decline in the global population of horses, and have wondered if A.I. might do the same to humans. “Horses have limited career options,” Huang said. “For example, horses can’t type.” As he finish…

So did he try to feed in his notes?

Re: How Jensen Huang's Nvidia is powering the A.I. revolution

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Post by andsoitis »

HDThoreaun wrote: post #35
gwern wrote: post #14

> In May, hundreds of industry leaders endorsed a statement that equated the risk of runaway A.I. with that of nuclear war. Huang didn’t sign it. Some economists have observed that the Industrial Revolution led to a relative decline in the global population of horses, and have wondered if A.I. might do the same to humans. “Horses have limited career options,” Huang said. “For example, horses can’t type.” As he finish…

The horse anecdote has always struck me as stupid as hell. Horses were replaced because they have no political power, they are tools. As long as we live in a democracy people will not become horses.

> Horses were replaced because they have no political power, they are tools.

How much political power do you think the purveyors of AI wield?

> As long as we live in a democracy people will not become horses.

It’s estimated that 2.3 billion people—about 29% of the global population—lived in a democracy in 2021 (https://www.visualcapitalist.com/cp/how-many-people-live-in-...)

And if you live in a democracy today, as you yourself state, it is not guaranteed to remain that way.

Re: How Jensen Huang's Nvidia is powering the A.I. revolution

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Post by andsoitis »

dmix wrote: post #69
superchroma wrote: post #47

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So what exactly is it you do all day? How do you pay rent?

Survive. My survival is my own will. My parents didn't have me to benefit themselves in industry, they only want me to survive in the best capacity possible. I'm not sure how that distinction is not 100% obvious in 2023. It's not the 1700s in a planet covered in subsistence farms who need kids to work. This is handwringing over the decline of paper or pencils after computers came about when paper didn't magically com…

> My parents didn't have me to benefit themselves in industry, they only want me to survive in the best capacity possible. I'm not sure how that distinction is not 100% obvious in 2023. It's not the 1700s in a planet covered in subsistence farms who need kids to work.

You make a very compelling argument. It made me think from another angle. Consider that there's evolutionary pressure on humans to want to procreate. So in a certain sense, we are conceived to serve the gene and to survive we have to labor.

Re: How Jensen Huang's Nvidia is powering the A.I. revolution

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Post by ux-app »

didibus wrote: post #62
Nathanba wrote: post #42

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People have political power ultimately because they have military and economic power. That would potentially change if politicians have artificial people under their control that can patrol the streets and enforce any law they want and man the factories.

I think the idea that this will come from the politicians and government is misguided. This will come from the capitalist system, businesses will be driving the obsolescence of humans, not governments. Once the owners of the means of productions don't need humans in their workforce, what value to they bring? It will be much harder to "revolt" against capitalism/businesses than a central government. And the biggest da…

>This will come from the capitalist system, businesses will be driving the obsolescence of humans,

what's the point of owning the factories if there is no one to buy the crap you produce? they need us more than we need them, at least until they have their own spaceships with AI and robots to fluff their balls for them.

Re: How Jensen Huang's Nvidia is powering the A.I. revolution

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Post by tasty_freeze »

b20000 wrote: post #68

Why is this guy portayed as some kind of genius?

"This guy" founded the company in 1993 and is still leading it, quite capably, 30 years later. It is often said that many startups need one type of CEO at founding but it takes a different skill set to be CEO of an established company. To lead it from 3 people to 25,000+, to have both technical chops, business chops, and PR chops is a rare combination.

Back in the early 90s there were countless 3D chip startups, probably more than 35 (I was at two of them during those years) and they fell one by one until essentially only Nvidia and ATI remained. Ask the other 33 CEOs if they think Jensen was just lucky.

Jensen believed that GPGPU could be a new market and spent heavily to push the idea and to make it real. Significant design work and silicon area was spent adding GPGPU features to chips before there was any software or any market for it. He invested in building compiler teams and writing libraries. He invested millions each year hosting a GPGPU conference and driving the vision. No, he didn't write those libraries or design the silicon, but it was his vision and willingness to invest in it that deserves respect. He isn't some schlub that simply got lucky one time. He has been manufacturing "luck" for 30 years.

Re: How Jensen Huang's Nvidia is powering the A.I. revolution

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Post by wincy »

didibus wrote: post #59
HDThoreaun wrote: post #49

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You think the government is going to create an ai military to kill millions of civilians without being overthrown by the other hundreds of millions of armed civilians in this country?

I think the question is more, will there be a country somewhere that emerges as an AI/robotic super power. You shouldn't just be worried of your own government here. And the other issue is, why would the post-revolt government/businesses abandon AI/robotics? The truth is, this won't happen over night. People will have less work over time, be paid less and less, the gap between classes will grow bigger, etc. I guess a…

Maybe we’ll need to have a real life Butlerian Jihad.

Re: How Jensen Huang's Nvidia is powering the A.I. revolution

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Post by Nathanba »

ux-app wrote: post #75
didibus wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the idea that this will come from the politicians and government is misguided. This will come from the capitalist system, businesses will be driving the obsolescence of humans, not governments. Once the owners of the means of productions don't need humans in their workforce, what value to they bring? It will be much harder to "revolt" against capitalism/businesses than a central government. And the biggest da…

>This will come from the capitalist system, businesses will be driving the obsolescence of humans, what's the point of owning the factories if there is no one to buy the crap you produce? they need us more than we need them, at least until they have their own spaceships with AI and robots to fluff their balls for them.

Numbers still go up for whatever human sits at the top, that's the demand. But the general principle of demand and supply exists even among AI internally. AI trading bots are their own economy, it would be the same for intelligent robot factories. They will have demand for things no different from a human that has a demand for food, robots need to be repaired, maintained. They will produce whatever they were told to produce. This is even without any human or human level intelligence involved. Once robots are truly as intelligent as humans they can even have entirely fanciful demands like buying cards or flowers.

Re: How Jensen Huang's Nvidia is powering the A.I. revolution

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Post by Jensson »

ux-app wrote: post #75
didibus wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the idea that this will come from the politicians and government is misguided. This will come from the capitalist system, businesses will be driving the obsolescence of humans, not governments. Once the owners of the means of productions don't need humans in their workforce, what value to they bring? It will be much harder to "revolt" against capitalism/businesses than a central government. And the biggest da…

>This will come from the capitalist system, businesses will be driving the obsolescence of humans, what's the point of owning the factories if there is no one to buy the crap you produce? they need us more than we need them, at least until they have their own spaceships with AI and robots to fluff their balls for them.

> what's the point of owning the factories if there is no one to buy the crap you produce

You produce things you yourself want to consume. Why produce things for others if they have nothing you need?

The only reason there is a need to sell to workers today is so you can pay them a salary to work in your factories, and then take a portion of that for yourself. When you don't need workers you don't need to sell to workers, you just take the entire output for yourself.

Edit: If you can't imagine how someone could consume that much, then think of a golf enthusiast so he tells his AI factories and builders to prepare new golf courses at the same rate he can finish them, so he can play gold all day long and never replay a course.

Basically production will become almost 100% luxury focused instead of median consumer focused like it is today.

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