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Korean Smartphones Have Mandatory Shutter Sounds, 8 in 10 Want It Muted

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Re: Korean Smartphones Have Mandatory Shutter Sounds, 8 in 10 Want It Muted

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Post by petre »

mrkramer wrote: post #46
wjholden wrote: post #25

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I remember hearing in South Korea about some US Soldier being imprisoned over a dispute where he repeatedly photographed a young woman, explicitly against her consent. Some countries give you a right to your own image. This comes up often in Germany, where privacy law is very different from the US.

I know that in the UK, you can photograph everything that you can see in the public....not sure about rest of the Europe but I suppose laws are liberal as well. In the US, it probably differs from state to state.

On France there's the right to one's image, copyright on buildings, so good luck trying to be the next Cartier-Bresson.

Re: Korean Smartphones Have Mandatory Shutter Sounds, 8 in 10 Want It Muted

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Post by Manuel_D »

threeseed wrote: post #44
EForEndeavour wrote: post #6

> South Korea has a problem with unwanted, clandestine photography relating to upskirting and when mobile phones were introduced, authorities moved to stop perverts from taking photos of people without permission. 1. My mind is blown that this oddly specific behaviour was apparently so common that the government mandated all cellphone cameras must play shutter sounds that cannot be muted. What the hell? 2. Do third-p…

> My mind is blown that this oddly specific behaviour was apparently so common that the government mandated all cellphone cameras must play shutter sounds that cannot be muted. What the hell It was and is extremely common. It's happened to my partner, many of her friends and has been an issue for years. And is not just contained to cell phone cameras but hidden cameras in general. Public bathrooms are such a hotspot…

While South Korea is a deeply paternalist and sexist society and there are many disadvantages women face in Korean society, men in Korea do have compelling reasons to oppose Korean feminist movements. In particular, the government has instituted gender quotas in some industries:

> The flustered “angry young men” believe that government policies aimed at ensuring gender parity are in fact giving women an unfair advantage.

Enforcing gender parity when the workforce is majority male is indeed giving one gender an advantage. They don't "believe" these practices are unfair any more than they "believe" the sky is blue. If you want to eliminate discrimination, anonymize applications and take steps to eliminate the ability to determine the gender of applicants. Forcing outcomes is indeed putting your finger on the scale.

While there's definitely a lot of sexism and paternalism in South Korea, it was very unfortunate that explicit gender discrimination was path that feminist movements decided to take. It's very bad for feminism to create situations when anti-discrimination is a form of "anti-feminism". This severely curtails good will and willingness to work on issues like the one described in the linked article.

Re: Korean Smartphones Have Mandatory Shutter Sounds, 8 in 10 Want It Muted

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Post by drewcoo »

Izkata wrote: post #59
qwytw wrote: post #42

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I would guess one outcome of that was a significant increase in bad words used on non live TV. Since they'll be beeped out it's not really big deal anymore.

Or inventing new bad words like Farscape. Don't even need to look most of them up, you'll learn at least frell, dren, tralk, and mivonks just by context and frequency of use.

To make it less obvious it was all about the FCC's rules, translator microbes didn't translate a lot of slang, whether it was Earth-swearing or not.

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Post by sgift »

phpisthebest wrote: post #43
EA-3167 wrote: post #14

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The rarity of plane hijackings is balanced by the decades of harm they can do, even beyond the obvious death and destruction. 9-11 for example led to 20 years of ruinous war, trillions wasted, and many lives lost, not to mention geopolitical realities which led to even more death and loss of money. Taking extreme caution to prevent a recurrence of that, not to mention protecting lives and a whole industry, probably d…

Yes locking the doors == good Making me buy over priced water == Security theater that does nothing for safety We do not need to be illogical about it, extreme government over reach should not be excused when a simple door lock was all that is needed

The water ban came later for a different reason, namely the "Liquid bomb" plot, which involved bringing liquid bombs onto planes and detonating them mid-flight. I'm not saying the ban was an especially good reaction, but cockpit doors wouldn't have helped. You don't need to be in the cockpit to bring a plane down with a bomb.

Re: Korean Smartphones Have Mandatory Shutter Sounds, 8 in 10 Want It Muted

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Post by phpisthebest »

sgift wrote: post #74
phpisthebest wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes locking the doors == good Making me buy over priced water == Security theater that does nothing for safety We do not need to be illogical about it, extreme government over reach should not be excused when a simple door lock was all that is needed

The water ban came later for a different reason, namely the "Liquid bomb" plot, which involved bringing liquid bombs onto planes and detonating them mid-flight. I'm not saying the ban was an especially good reaction, but cockpit doors wouldn't have helped. You don't need to be in the cockpit to bring a plane down with a bomb.

Right but the original context was "another 9-11" that would lead to "decades of war". We have clear examples, right or wrong, where bringing down a single plane would not result in that response by a nation state.

One of the reasons we have not seen another airplane based terror event, is not because of security, but because it simply would not invoke the response the terrorist desire. They want a nation to over react, to bomb things, to over all make the lives of the people they purport to be fighting for "freedom" on behalf of worse... This keeps them in power, and aids in recruitment.

Taking down a single plane does not do that, using that plane as a missile did, which door locks prevents.

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Post by omsimun »

xanderlewis wrote: post #55
threeseed wrote: post #44

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> My mind is blown that this oddly specific behaviour was apparently so common that the government mandated all cellphone cameras must play shutter sounds that cannot be muted. What the hell It was and is extremely common. It's happened to my partner, many of her friends and has been an issue for years. And is not just contained to cell phone cameras but hidden cameras in general. Public bathrooms are such a hotspot…

Definitions of ‘feminism’ seem to vary widely (and are constantly shifting) so that statistic alone is hard to interpret.

Here's the Hollywood Reporter, adding context to an article about how the Barbie movie didn't do well in Korea:

'But in Korea, a country where gender disparity and anti-feminist backlash are prevalent, the film’s focus — albeit uplifting — on female empowerment may have sparked discomfort and even fatigue.

“Given how gender has been politicized and became a polarizing issue in Korea in the past few years, young people seem to be easily exhausted by discussions around gender,” says Kang Yu-jeong, a professor of Cultural Contents at Kangnam University in the city of Yongin. “It’s such a sensitive topic for the younger generation — the film’s main target — that they want to avoid it entirely.”'

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/why-barb...

The situation is pretty extreme. E.G. https://news.sky.com/story/plastic-surgery-south-korea-faces...

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Post by deathlight »

xanderlewis wrote: post #41
gruez wrote: post #10

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>1. My mind is blown that this oddly specific behaviour was apparently so common that the government mandated all cellphone cameras must play shutter sounds that cannot be muted. What the hell? You're missing the other possibility: incompetent politicians writing bad polices to respond to the latest moral panic. Plane hijackings are pretty rare, yet we have TSA screening and no liquids over 100ml on flights.

> Plane hijackings are pretty rare, yet we have TSA screening and no liquids over 100ml on flights. Without wanting to sound too sarcastic, it’s possible there might be an implication going on there.

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