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Almost half of Californians speak a non-English language at home

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Re: Almost half of Californians speak a non-English language at home

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Among all the countries in Europe, I expected Ireland to be the last to harbour anti-Muslim, anti-refugee sentiment with all their very vocal support for Palestine.

I expect there is no country in the world with no anti-immigrant sentiment. The Palestine thing IMO is mostly Irish people identifying with a weak country being bullied by a strong neighbour, which is unsurprising given Ireland's history

Everybody loves an underdog.

Re: Almost half of Californians speak a non-English language at home

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Can you explain exactly what you’re “all for”? Because of the handful of interpretations of your post, several are downright psychotic.

The only interpretation I can see is in support of Great Replacement.

Strange, I understood it completely differently (that plaguna is happy to read that people from different backgrounds can live together peacefully)

Re: Almost half of Californians speak a non-English language at home

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Can you explain exactly what you’re “all for”? Because of the handful of interpretations of your post, several are downright psychotic.

A well-intended interpretation is: the parent comment advocates for a society where there is substantial language diversity even within smaller geographic regions. This makes sense from many perspectives, because forcing people to speak the same language no matter the context is not only hostile to immigrants but also to native minorities. E.g., in the North of Scandinavia (where I reside), many people don't like tha…

totally off topic but I love that "the South" in the context of your comment is hot exotic places like Stockholm and Helsinki

Re: Almost half of Californians speak a non-English language at home

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Can those californians now actually show some care towards support for multiple languages in the software they write and encode some basics like support for users to move between places, countries and regions? :P

It's kind of incredible how absolutely terrible most SV products are at supporting other locales and how horrible experience with products is if you dare to do something silly like move to another place. God forbid support for multiple languages from multiple people.

Re: Almost half of Californians speak a non-English language at home

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I grew up in one of these households. My grandmother didn’t speak English so my dad mandated Hindi be spoken in the household. I think it was a net positive in my life. I pick up phrases and sounds from new languages pretty easily. I didn’t do great in my English classes in HS but am a pretty good writer now. From an assimilation pov, I think it’s pretty important to grow up speaking whatever language you do alongsid…

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Re: Almost half of Californians speak a non-English language at home

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I don't know but my wife used to play mahjong in SF Chinatown and almost no one spoke English, including some people who had been in the US for over 30 years. It was a bit surprising.

The next town over from me have a large Vietnamese community, the older generation frequently only speak Vietnamese, relying on their children and grandchildren to help them navigate in society, doctors appointments, interacting with the government and all those things. I'm continuously surprised that someone would refuse to learn the language of a country they lived in for almost 50 years... Like WHY? Seems rather r…

I know folks like this. Cantonese and Vietnamese. Most of them are (were, back when they were trying to speak English) deeply embarrassed by their accents and utterly captured by that fear.

Re: Almost half of Californians speak a non-English language at home

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California was almost empty when it was annexed into the US. Disease etc. Immigration from the rest of the English-speaking US completely dwarfed what was left. Almost 100% of Spanish-speaking Californians have come in the past 50-70 years. Basically none have historical roots to California.

Not accurate. What is known as the American state of California was part of the state of Alta California in Mexico, which was annexed by the US during the Mexican American war. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alta_California Years later, the Mexicans as well as their descendants, who were Americans by Jus soli (birthright citizenship) were ethnically cleansed during the Mexican Repatriation, where they were kidnapped…

No, those were more recent immigrants. Read your own link.

I am talking about at time of annexation, 1847.

Re: Almost half of Californians speak a non-English language at home

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I grew up in one of these households. My grandmother didn’t speak English so my dad mandated Hindi be spoken in the household. I think it was a net positive in my life. I pick up phrases and sounds from new languages pretty easily. I didn’t do great in my English classes in HS but am a pretty good writer now. From an assimilation pov, I think it’s pretty important to grow up speaking whatever language you do alongsid…

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I'm not OP, but the answer is obviously both. Multilingual helps brain develop in new ways, and better personal development helps all nations.

Re: Almost half of Californians speak a non-English language at home

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Correct. It’s the defacto. Indeed, there’s even no official version of English unlike, say, French and Dutch.

That there is no Académie anglaise is a fact which surprises and appalls the French.

The degree to which we do not care what the French think about our lack of an official body overseeing and dictating the language of English can not be accurately described in words. We would have to invent a new unit of measurement to measure it. :)

Re: Almost half of Californians speak a non-English language at home

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I don't know but my wife used to play mahjong in SF Chinatown and almost no one spoke English, including some people who had been in the US for over 30 years. It was a bit surprising.

The next town over from me have a large Vietnamese community, the older generation frequently only speak Vietnamese, relying on their children and grandchildren to help them navigate in society, doctors appointments, interacting with the government and all those things. I'm continuously surprised that someone would refuse to learn the language of a country they lived in for almost 50 years... Like WHY? Seems rather r…

How many languages have you become fluent in as an adult?
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