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Reflecting on 18 Years at Google

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Re: Reflecting on 18 Years at Google

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> Take Jeanine Banks, for example, who manages the department that somewhat arbitrarily contains (among other things) Flutter, Dart, Go, and Firebase. Her department nominally has a strategy, but I couldn't leak it if I wanted to; I literally could never figure out what any part of it meant, even after years of hearing her describe it. Her understanding of what her teams are doing is minimal at best; she frequently m…

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Re: Reflecting on 18 Years at Google

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Flutter is a leading framework? Maybe in some niche. It's not even in the top 10 for me.

I believe it's quoting a survey where you had to pick from "frameworks". Meaning "use the native tools" wasn't a choice on the list. Choices were things like Flutter, React Native, Cordova, Ionic, Xamarin, etc.

Re: Reflecting on 18 Years at Google

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As a current Googler of approximately the same tenure, I can't speak to the comments on Jeanine Banks (never met her), but I agree with every other word of this. It's frustrating to continue to see both the level of genuinely well-intentioned work that the public is unfairly (and often viciously) critical of the motives of, and also the (at this point) complete absence of concern for the user, the long term, and the…

> the public is unfairly (and often viciously) critical of the motives of

Is it unfair, though? I went from being a huge fan of Google to being a huge Google critic because of real changes in what Google did. I think it's reasonable to question their motives.

This isn't the same as questioning the motives of the engineers, though. I have no doubt that there are a lot of good people who work there. However, their presence doesn't change the reality of the company's behavior as a whole.

Re: Reflecting on 18 Years at Google

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post #58

As a current Googler of approximately the same tenure, I can't speak to the comments on Jeanine Banks (never met her), but I agree with every other word of this. It's frustrating to continue to see both the level of genuinely well-intentioned work that the public is unfairly (and often viciously) critical of the motives of, and also the (at this point) complete absence of concern for the user, the long term, and the…

> It's frustrating to continue to see both the level of genuinely well-intentioned work that the public is unfairly (and often viciously) critical of the motives of, and also the (at this point) complete absence of concern for the user, the long term, and the company culture at the highest levels of Google. This sentence is an oxymoron. How can the work both be "genuinely well-intentioned" and at the same time have "…

> How can the work both be "genuinely well-intentioned" and at the same time have "complete absence of concern for the user"?

I think the author is distinguishing between (1) well-intentioned work from workers in the trenches and (2) indifference to the user from upper management. It's institutional misalignment.

Re: Reflecting on 18 Years at Google

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If true, it does sound terrible. Though, I would focus not so much on one named person. The culture is allowing it, leaders above and around her, whatever feedback systems Google has, and so on.

Yep. It usually is a ship leaking from the top. I have seen it (not from Google).

I don't agree with the author's complaint about the culture changing, it's just that the leadership is weak and directionless, which was also mentioned.

Re: Reflecting on 18 Years at Google

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As a current Googler of approximately the same tenure, I can't speak to the comments on Jeanine Banks (never met her), but I agree with every other word of this. It's frustrating to continue to see both the level of genuinely well-intentioned work that the public is unfairly (and often viciously) critical of the motives of, and also the (at this point) complete absence of concern for the user, the long term, and the…

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Re: Reflecting on 18 Years at Google

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post #58

As a current Googler of approximately the same tenure, I can't speak to the comments on Jeanine Banks (never met her), but I agree with every other word of this. It's frustrating to continue to see both the level of genuinely well-intentioned work that the public is unfairly (and often viciously) critical of the motives of, and also the (at this point) complete absence of concern for the user, the long term, and the…

> It's frustrating to continue to see both the level of genuinely well-intentioned work that the public is unfairly (and often viciously) critical of the motives of, and also the (at this point) complete absence of concern for the user, the long term, and the company culture at the highest levels of Google. This sentence is an oxymoron. How can the work both be "genuinely well-intentioned" and at the same time have "…

> How can the work both be "genuinely well-intentioned" and at the same time have "complete absence of concern for the user"?

Only the first was a description of the work, the other was a description of the culture to which those doing the work are subjected to from above.

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