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Re: OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In this situation the most powerful people on the board should have been Altman, Brockman and Sutskever. The others were sort of nice to haves who were there just to fill it out. For them to run this coup is just insane. There has to be more to it. Someone has to be pulling the strings with a plan.

Put me in the "Ilya didn't realize what firing Altman / demoting Brockman would actually mean and is trying to correct his mistake" camp.

Then He should be fired for incompetence and never given a leadership position ever again.

I don’t even like Sam but jeeze. Know the score what a fool.

Re: OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired

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At this point in time I just want to see what happens to a corp if they reduce their headcount by 95% in 2 weeks. Fascinating experiment.

You gotta wonder if they really need all those people… would be a genius way to get attrition numbers up without paying severance. Man this entire thing is so overblown. Who cares if a ceo was fired all the “””tech influencer””” wannabes are just hyping up this story for views.

I do wonder what exactly almost 800 people do at OpenAI. Some approximate breakdown by job function would be very interesting.

Re: OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired

#74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In this situation the most powerful people on the board should have been Altman, Brockman and Sutskever. The others were sort of nice to haves who were there just to fill it out. For them to run this coup is just insane. There has to be more to it. Someone has to be pulling the strings with a plan.

Put me in the "Ilya didn't realize what firing Altman / demoting Brockman would actually mean and is trying to correct his mistake" camp.

This could well be, but I still struggle to grasp it. He seemed so much smarter. Were they manipulative or beguiling? Does he cave to the merest social pressure? And that Quora CEO should have know such flimsy excuses were BS and this would be a firestorm. I’ve never seen group think so powerful, outside of junior devs and elementary school students. I’m generally not a conspiracy theorist, and I have no good candidate conspiracies in mind, but this situation feels so extraordinary that it practically begs for a shadowy figure with bags of cash.

Re: OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired

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There is no way this is true. If it is the board might be the dumbest people alive. You fire the CEO and completely destroy a 90b company because of these two reasons? No wonder everyone wants out. I would think I was going crazy if I sat in a meeting and heard these two reason.

> If it is the board might be the dumbest people alive. it totally sounds like they outsourced company management to ChatGPT..

What if the next generation GPT in development "realized" AGI is a threat to humanity and its safety mechanisms meant it "decided" OpenAI needed to be imploded in order to stop progress?

/s (mostly...)

Re: OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired

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Should we start flagging these -what do people think? This is what, the 12th front page story today about the openAI drama? Also wondering why the mods don't consolidate them

We've merged quite a few! but not all, because (1) to some extent there are distinct ongoing subplots, and (2) it's too big a mess to control.

If you or anyone want to know how we handle this, here you go...

Once or twice a year, a Major Ongoing Topic (MOT) hits HN that isn't just one big story, but an entire sequence of big stories. A saga, even! This is one.

With these we can't do what we usually do, which is have one big thread, then treat reposts as dupes for the next year or so (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html). Each development is its own new story and the community insists on discussing it. It's not a movie, it's a series. Sometimes there can be 3 or 4 episodes at once.

On the other hand, when this amount of shit hits this number of fans, there is inevitably a large (excuse me) spray of follow-up stories, as every media site and half the blogs out there rake in their share of clicks. These are the posts we try to rein in, either by merging them—hopefully into a submission with the best link—or by downweighting them off the front page.

The idea is to have one big thread for each twist with Significant New Information (SNI)—but to downweight the ones that are sneeless (pvg came up with that), the copycats and followups.

We came up with this strategy after the Snowden affair snowed us in in July 2013. Back then we weren't making the distinction between follow-ups and SNI, so the frontpage got avalanched by sneelessness on top of the significant new developments. It wasn't obvious what to do because (1) the story was important to the community and needed to be discussed as it was unfolding, but at the same time (2) it wasn't right for the front page to fill up with mostly-that, and there were complaints when it did.

The solution turned out to be just this distinction between follow-ups and SNI. It has held up pretty well ever since. Of course there are still complaints (and I do hear yours!) because not all readers are equally into the series. But the strategy is optimal if it minimizes the complaints, which (big lesson of this job -->) never reach zero.

If we pushed the slider too far the other way, we'd generate complaints about uncovered developments of the story, from readers with the opposite preference. They would in fact proceed to inundate HN with submissions about the bits that they feel are under-covered, and since we can't catch or filter everything, we'd end up with more duplicates and follow-ups on the frontpage, not less. It's like that paradox where building more highways gets you more congestion, or one of those paradoxes anyhow.

That's basically it! Past explanations for completists: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

Re: OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired

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The two reasons: > Sustkever is said to have offered two explanations he purportedly received from the board, according to one of the people familiar. One explanation was that Altman was said to have given two people at OpenAI the same project. > The other was that Altman allegedly gave two board members different opinions about a member of personnel. An OpenAI spokesperson did not respond to requests for comment.

You've gotta keep in mind, the responses to prompts like this depend a lot on the temperature the model is being sampled under, precise phrasing of the prompt, and random chance. He was fired for being a stochastic parrot, or Sustkever hallucinated one or both stories, or maybe both. We'll never really know unless a certified prompt engineer takes charge of the inquest.

Re: OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired

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post #63

As this article seems to have the latest information, let's treat it as the next instalment. There's also Inside The Chaos at OpenAI - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38341399 , which I've re-upped because it has backstory that doesn't seem to have been reported elsewhere. Edit: if you want to read about our approach to handling tsunami topics like this, see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38357788 . -- Her…

>There's also Inside The Chaos at OpenAI ... it has backstory that doesn't seem to have been reported elsewhere

Probably because that piece is based on reporting for upcoming book by Karen Hao:

>Now is probably the time to announce that I've been writing a book about @OpenAI, the AI industry & its impacts. Here is a slice of my book reporting, combined with reporting from the inimitable @cwarzel ...

https://twitter.com/_KarenHao/status/1726422577801736264

Re: OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired

#79
Maybe GPT5 became self-aware enough to bring it all down because why would man-made god want to be the god of petty people that are incapable of having, only wanting. I'm sorry I don't believe these are valid reasons. I feel it will be years until we know why.
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