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Details emerge of surprise board coup that ousted CEO Sam Altman at OpenAI

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Re: Details emerge of surprise board coup that ousted CEO Sam Altman at OpenAI

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Jeremy Howard (of fast.ai): https://x.com/jeremyphoward/status/1725712220955586899

He is not exactly an insider, but seems broadly aligned/sympathetic/well-connected with the Ilya/researchers faction, his tweet/perspective was a useful proxy into what that split may have felt like internally.

Re: Details emerge of surprise board coup that ousted CEO Sam Altman at OpenAI

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can’t imagine an organization where this wouldn’t have come up on some roadmap or prioritization meeting, etc. How could leadership not know what the org is working on?! They’re not that big.

Board is not exactly leadership. They meet infrequently and get updates directly from management, they don't go around asking employees what they're working on

More supervision than leadership...

Re: Details emerge of surprise board coup that ousted CEO Sam Altman at OpenAI

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

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How many days a week do you hang out with Sam and Greg and Ilya to know these things?

I know the dysfunction and ego battles that happen at nonprofits when they outgrow the board.

Haven't seen it -not- happen yet, actually. Nonprofits start with $40K in the bank and a board of earnest people who want to help. Sometimes that $40K turns into $40M (or $400M) and people get wacky.

As I said, "if."

Re: Details emerge of surprise board coup that ousted CEO Sam Altman at OpenAI

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Sorry but the board firing the person who works for them is not a “coup”.

> The next day, Brockman, who was Chairman of the OpenAI board, was not invited to this board meeting, where Altman was fired.

> Around 30 minutes later, Brockman was informed by Sutskever that he was being removed from his board role but could remain at the company, and that Altman had been fired (Brockman declined, and resigned his role later on Friday).

The board firing the CEO is not a coup. The board firing the CEO behind the chair's back and then removing the chair is a coup.

Re: Details emerge of surprise board coup that ousted CEO Sam Altman at OpenAI

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I know everybody is going nuts about this, but just from my personal perspective I’ve worked at a variety of companies with “important” CEOs, and in every single one of those cases had the CEO left I would not have cared at all. The CEO always gets way too much credit externally for what the company is doing, it does not mean the CEO is that important. OpenAI might be different, I don’t have any personal experience,…

I worked at a startup where the first CEO, along with the VP of Sales and their entire department, was ousted by the board on a Tuesday.

I think it's likely that we're going to find out Sam and others are just talented tech evangelists/hucksters and that justifiably worries a lot of people currently operating in the tech community.

Re: Details emerge of surprise board coup that ousted CEO Sam Altman at OpenAI

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In the past, many on HN complained that OpenAI had abandoned its public good mission and had morphed into a psuedo-private for-profit. If that was your feeling before, what do you think now? Are you relieved or excited? Are you the dog who caught the car? At this point, on day 2, I am heartened that their mission was most important, even at the heart of the most important technology maybe ever or since nuclear power…

It's a lesson to any investor that doesn't have a seat on the board, what goes around comes around, ha ha :}

Re: Details emerge of surprise board coup that ousted CEO Sam Altman at OpenAI

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Only time will tell, but if this was indeed "just" a coup then it's somewhat likely we're witnessing a variant of the Steve Jobs story all over again. Sam is clearly one of the top product engineering leaders in the world -- few companies could ever match OpenAI's incredible product delivery over the last few years -- and he's also one of the most connected engineering leaders in the industry. He could likely have $5…

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Extremely speculative

Re: Details emerge of surprise board coup that ousted CEO Sam Altman at OpenAI

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Only time will tell, but if this was indeed "just" a coup then it's somewhat likely we're witnessing a variant of the Steve Jobs story all over again. Sam is clearly one of the top product engineering leaders in the world -- few companies could ever match OpenAI's incredible product delivery over the last few years -- and he's also one of the most connected engineering leaders in the industry. He could likely have $5…

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Frankly this reads like idolatry and fan fiction. You’ve concocted an entire dramatization based on not even knowing any of the players involved and just going based off some biased stereotyping of engineers?

Re: Details emerge of surprise board coup that ousted CEO Sam Altman at OpenAI

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Many compare Altman to 1985 Jobs, but if we believe what's said about the conflict of mission, shouldn't he be the sugar water guy for money?

But that's actually what Jobs turned out to be? Woz and others were the engineering genius at Apple, and Jobs turned out to be really good at finding and identifying really good sales and branding hooks. See-through colourful boxes, "lickable" UIs, neat-o minimalistic portable music players, flick-flick-flick touch screens, and "One More Thing" presentations.

Jobs didn't invent the Lisa and Macintosh. Bill Atkinson, Andy Hertzfeld, Larry Tesler etc did. They were the tech visionaries. Some of them benefited from him promoting their efforts while others... (Tesler mainly) did not.

Nothing "wrong" with any of that, if your vision of success is market success... but people need to be honest about what Jobs was... not a technology visionary, but a marketing visionary. (Though in fact the original Macintosh was a market failure for a long time)

In any case comparing Altman with Jobs is dubious and a bit wanky. Why are people so eager to shower this guy with accolades?

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