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Is this radical redesign of GIMP possible now?

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Re: Is this radical redesign of GIMP possible now?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Blender has something else. Loads of money compared to Gimp.

Where the money comes from?

They have a basic diagram on this page:

https://www.blender.org/about/

4 sources of income: one-off donations and recurring donations (from individuals and businesses), subsidies and co-development funds from businesses, and subscriptions to their cloud service.

Re: Is this radical redesign of GIMP possible now?

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Universal search in UI is cool, and I’m all for it, but it shouldn’t be the only/primary way of accessing tools as tool discoverability is very low. The author tries to deal with this by putting the a menu next to a search bar and putting hints in the bottom menu (which I don’t think would really work here, as raster tools are less selection-specific than 3D tools). Search fixes the speed-of-access issue, but doesn’t…

Universal UI search is great, and at this point it should be present in all but the simplest applications. I first saw it introduced in Google Docs, and it's precisely for things you suspect exist, but it's not even remotely clear which menu, submenu, or dialog it's in. (Apple OS Settings is another great example of it.)

E.g., you want to apply a hanging indent in Docs? Just type "hanging" into the menu search, and it shows "Indentation options". It's smart enough to know that hanging indentation is an option within the dialog that shows up there. And the menu search seems to have a large range of synonyms, so typing "picture" brings up lots of "insert image" choices.

But it bothers me that even in Docs, almost nobody knows about menu search because it's hidden under the "Help" menu, rather than being a nice prominent rounded search box in the upper-right corner like you'd expect.

Menus are great for discoverability (so do not get rid of them), but frequently you know what an application can or cannot do (e.g. you assume a word processor can do hanging indents or watermarks), but you don't know where exactly it lurks in the menus or which tab of the settings dialog, and don't want to waste two minutes hunting for it.

It's time for a universal search box to exist in every major desktop application. Apple and Microsoft really need to take the lead here to provide standard API's and UX components for this, and it saddens me that they haven't, and continue to show no signs of interest.

Re: Is this radical redesign of GIMP possible now?

#74

Does this man ever worked with photoshop? What is he talking about? Of course there is a menu, just like in PS. Of course it is overwhelming at first. The biggest reasont most of the UI/UX sucks, because those who create the program never actually use it day by day. So easy. Use your own program and whenever you get frustrated it shows you that you have done something wrong or awkward and it needs adjustment. Another…

> For example in Krita you can't resize a crop rectangle with the mouse that holds its aspect ratio

I've never used Krita, but I was skeptical that it can't do this, so I just now installed it and gave it a try. It does have this feature! I made a crop rectangle, then right-clicked on it. A little menu popped up, titled "Crop Tool Actions". One of the things in the menu is a checkbox labeled "Lock Ratio", which was unchecked by default. I clicked the checkbox, and then I could resize the crop rectangle with the mouse without changing its aspect ratio.

Took me under a minute to figure out, having never used the software before or read any documentation. I'd say that's one sign of a decent UI.

Re: Is this radical redesign of GIMP possible now?

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Does this man ever worked with photoshop? What is he talking about? Of course there is a menu, just like in PS. Of course it is overwhelming at first. The biggest reasont most of the UI/UX sucks, because those who create the program never actually use it day by day. So easy. Use your own program and whenever you get frustrated it shows you that you have done something wrong or awkward and it needs adjustment. Another…

> Krita and Gimp's biggest issue is that most of the tools are implemented in a non intuitive way. Everything is a disorganized mess. And since PS doesn't run under linux, this gets on my nerves. Do you mean non intuitive or just not the same as PS. 99% of complaints I see about GUIs (most commonly OSS ones, because people are less likely to criticise choices where they invested money) are that they do not function l…

I started with “serious” image editors on Paintshop Pro, not Photoshop, and have used Gimp several times as much as I’ve used Photoshop.

Gun to my head, have to do some unknown-in-advance image editing task, I get to pick the software, but can’t look anything up, I die if it takes far too long? I’d pick Photoshop. I might survive with PS. Near-certainty I’m dead with the Gimp, hell I might be dead with Gimp even if the task is incredibly simple. It’s not that it isn’t like PS, it’s that it’s UI gibberish.

Re: Is this radical redesign of GIMP possible now?

#76

Does this man ever worked with photoshop? What is he talking about? Of course there is a menu, just like in PS. Of course it is overwhelming at first. The biggest reasont most of the UI/UX sucks, because those who create the program never actually use it day by day. So easy. Use your own program and whenever you get frustrated it shows you that you have done something wrong or awkward and it needs adjustment. Another…

> Krita and Gimp's biggest issue is that most of the tools are implemented in a non intuitive way. Everything is a disorganized mess. And since PS doesn't run under linux, this gets on my nerves. Do you mean non intuitive or just not the same as PS. 99% of complaints I see about GUIs (most commonly OSS ones, because people are less likely to criticise choices where they invested money) are that they do not function l…

Try editing 10 images in a row with Krita and you'll see the issues right away. Layer handling, selection handling and tool placement is cumbersome, to put it mildly. Maybe invite someone who has extensive experience working with photoshop and watch how often he starts to curse or ask for help and whether he uses the gun to shoot himself in the head. Then change things accordingly, if the creators don't use their own program...

I worked with Gimp ~ 1 year ago, not touching that again until I feel the need to flagellate myself.

Re: Is this radical redesign of GIMP possible now?

#77

changing the GUI for a good reason makes sense, making it look like photoshop doesn't seem like a good idea. Photoshop is an arse to use, just like the GIMP. I just happen to have learnt gimp first.

I'm curious how you use gimp. Do you use mathy/programming/terminal kinds of editing - stuff applied over the whole image with little mouse usage and mostly setting dialog parameters.

Or do you do little edits with the mouse, painting masks, selecting regions with the mouse, and generally using the mouse/pen a lot?

Re: Is this radical redesign of GIMP possible now?

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It's somewhat ironic that the author is essentially proposing a blender-like UI for gimp, considering that blenders UI is one of the most maligned UIs out there.

For the record I think the blender UI is pretty genius for an extremely complex graphics program and it could also work with gimp. Also the loud shouting around blenders UI have died down a lot in recent years, which I attribute to 2 things:

1. the great work done to make the UI more discoverable. 2. Blender having become almost a standard so there is lots of tutorials and it's now much more often the first 3d graphics program that people get exposed to (hence less it doesn't work like Maya,... complaints).

Re: Is this radical redesign of GIMP possible now?

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Unity 7 HUD could search the menubar of any application. I was quite good at guessing the name of the function I wanted, far better than I was at finding it in menus. It looks like MATE, XFCE and i3 still have this.

https://github.com/ubuntu-mate/mate-hud

https://jamcnaughton.com/2015/10/19/hud-for-xubuntu/#jp-caro...

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