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Re: Goodbye Spotify

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(I am a musician) I think you’re missing the point. I already pay a publishing fee to my distributor.

I honestly fail to see why it’s wrong for Spotify to adjust their commission structure to slightly favor more successful artists just because you have paid a third-party multi-channel distributor. Ask your distributor to renegotiate (over $3)?

The positioning is wrong though, in my relationship, Spotify is the third-party.

A third-party that used to pay for streams of my music, has decided to, instead change their terms, and use my music to generate more revenue (which in this case they are using to pay other artists, which is very strategic of them, because now they don’t have to pay those other artists more from their own pockets).

I negotiated with my distributor, distrokid, And paid to have my music distributed to services that pay for streams of my songs.

Suddenly one of these services altered their terms to the above.

And just to clarify, I’m not trying to be difficult. The fact of the matter is that my content has been taken by a third-party, and instead of paying out based off of an agreement, they have decided to take money from the content, creator, and instead use it to pay other artists (it is my strong suspicion that they did in order to not have to pay for transactions, even though this was all part of the arrangement from the beginning).

They have effectively saved themselves $40 million and more popular artists feel better because they are making more money, and the only people that lose out are people that have no real leverage in the situations.

I completely agree three dollars is very little money and is pretty insignificant. But it doesn’t change the fact that this was very strategic and the money that is generated is coming from creators, who have paid to have their content hosted, in exchange for money generation.

If you remember how big of a deal limewire was, this is a similar situation for songs under 1000 streams per year. It is distribution of music, without the consent of the artist, and worse off the platform is monetizing it and the artist does not get that money.

This is a very different situation than something like YouTube ad sense paying out after 1000 views, given that a content creator directly uploads content to YouTube and agrees to their terms.

Re: Goodbye Spotify

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I recently started buying out CDs of bands that I value. I don't cancel Spotify now because I don't have all the music I listen to, but thanks for warning. We have to prepare for big black hole of access to our culture when it becomes no longer mainstream. At this moment shows I used to watch are removed from all the platforms too, leaving me the only option to "buy" them on Amazon. "Buy" because they will still be i…

By the way I have an external usb CD player which I use to digitise them and have them on MP3s. But I lack a server to have it streamed to my phone. I wonder if you guys and gals have any solution to this...

Re: Goodbye Spotify

#73
While I agree we should use own data I do not believe that someone presense is enough to leave a platform.

Big gateway keepers will always be full od questionable people.

Politics is also full od questionable people should we not participate in it?

Re: Goodbye Spotify

#74

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Sounds like your beef should be with Distrokid not Spotify.

Unfortunately, this is actually a problem because of the legacy format of distribution for music. In order to add contact to classic music sales platforms like iTunes, you needed to go through a music distribution platform. CDBaby is a good example of an older 2010s company that offered similar services. When streaming became an option, music distribution platforms that appeal to a lower barrier of entry became more…

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Re: Goodbye Spotify

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Listen deeper, listen more and you will help artists more than cancelling your subscription. I don't know what artists at the new cutoff were making but its not a living wage, and I doubt it's even beer money. The unknown artists will never get paid if you don't listen and find them. That's what Spotify is great at. Once you find the small artist, seek them out, buy some merch, see a show. Drive an hour further than…

Honestly it should be both. Support artists deeply and ditch Spotify. We shouldn't be complacent and let Spotify make earning a living even harder for artists.

Has it made earning a living even harder though? Before streaming it was much harder to discover obscure artists from places outside of your own local area, usually you'd go crate-digging vinyls at 2nd hand shops to find the true gems.

I don't understand how enabling access to music from anywhere in the world has made earning a living harder to music artists, the industry was always extremely hard outside of a few lucky ones hand picked by labels to be marketed. The local scenes were (and still are) where most artists could grow their audience, sell albums and merch, it's still the same hard work but now you are able to release your music worldwide in an instant.

Streaming doesn't pay enough on any platform to enable earning a living if you are a small act. And it never will, it's basic economics, there's not enough money from subscriptions and ads to support the millions and millions of artists.

Support the artists, that's orthogonal to Spotify or other streaming services. Buy their albums, merch, go watch their shows.

Re: Goodbye Spotify

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post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I honestly fail to see why it’s wrong for Spotify to adjust their commission structure to slightly favor more successful artists just because you have paid a third-party multi-channel distributor. Ask your distributor to renegotiate (over $3)?

The positioning is wrong though, in my relationship, Spotify is the third-party. A third-party that used to pay for streams of my music, has decided to, instead change their terms, and use my music to generate more revenue (which in this case they are using to pay other artists, which is very strategic of them, because now they don’t have to pay those other artists more from their own pockets). I negotiated with my d…

Well, when you published your stuff you have certainly signed a contract saying that terms may change in the future. Hell, Spotify may even shutter in the future.

The argument that this is only benefitting “popular artists” and hurting small artists is really quite misleading here. It invokes the Taylor Swift against everyone else image, but it’s really not that. This friend of mine is very far from a big shot, but when she publishes a new title, she posts it on social media, and within the hour, probably minutes actually, the 1000-stream threshold is hit. And they’re giving a year… I don’t have stats but I have a feeling that this is going to primarily hit borderline plagiarizing (or actually plagiarizing) content mills than real artists. Not passing any judgement on you naturally, I don’t even know if you’re quitting out of principle or practicality.

Re: Goodbye Spotify

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Vinyl and cassette are the most common right now for physical-exclusive stuff. CD sales are very mixed- you can do well or barely sell at all, even for established names, and the startup costs for a pressing are higher than with tapes. And if it's on CD it might as well be a download anyway.

> if it's on CD it might as well be a download anyway Unless you mean FLAC or something, CD is still higher quality than other formats, and they keep longer than vinyl or cassettes. Inb4 the "only audiophiles with high end equipment" arguments: if you were around in the days of Blade Encoder tweaking options and trying to fit mp3s onto a 32MB player the size of a cigarette box, you know what digital artifacts sound l…

You don't need to be an "audiophile" or have "high end equipment" to realize that you absolutely want lossless for music archival. How would you want to, say, transcode a collection of MP3 to Opus to fit more tracks onto the same space at acceptable quality without keeping FLACs around?

Although OTOH, people play lossy MP3s over lossy SBC via Bluetooth and don't care, so perhaps the bar of "acceptable quality" is much lower than it seems...

Re: Goodbye Spotify

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Might as well drop what I use for my music discovery, my fairly poorly documented hacker-friendly set of tools. For instance, you can optionally navigate, sort, skip, pause and label things through MIDI controls, command line hooks, a repl, bluetooth media keys, or even over a network.

https://github.com/kristopolous/music-explorer/

This is a problem I've been working on since 2007(!) and this is approach #4, started in 2020

Re: Goodbye Spotify

#79
“I gave up Spotify and didn’t replace it. Maybe you’ll like losing what Spotify provides with no obvious gain or substitute, too!”
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