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Re: Apple asked Amazon to block rival ads

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Post by KennyBlanken »

zx8080 wrote: post #67
ren_engineer wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

my question is why hasn't the FBI seized every Amazon warehouse for knowingly selling counterfeit goods? They do this routinely for smaller businesses selling fake stuff

> my question is why hasn't the FBI seized every Amazon warehouse for knowingly selling counterfeit goods? What government would kill the goose that lays golden eggs? They pay tax. Buyers pay tax. Huge amount (but not that much as I expected [0]). What else is needed? 0 - https://www.investopedia.com/insights/amazon-effect-us-econo...

~$2BN in federal taxes is a drop in the bucket.

What little taxes they pay state/locally are next to nothing because of sweetheart deals in exchange for locating warehouses and offices in particular areas...deals which mean they likely pay less tax than the costs they incur on the communities in terms of services and infrastructure.

Re: Apple asked Amazon to block rival ads

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Post by newZWhoDis »

ren_engineer wrote: post #37
wnevets wrote: post #18

Amazon knows all about of the garbage being sold on its site but only does something about it if you're a massive tech company who threatens to sue, very cool. I wonder how many of these thumb drives are legit. https://www.amazon.com/s?k=2+tb+thumb+drive&crid=YZ410MSN6L1...

my question is why hasn't the FBI seized every Amazon warehouse for knowingly selling counterfeit goods? They do this routinely for smaller businesses selling fake stuff

The world makes a lot more sense when you realize the government is basically a gang. The majority of law enforcement/military action falls into a few buckets:

1) Farming the tax cattle (ex: speeding tickets)

2) Tracking down and punishing “foxes in the hen house” who disrupt their tax cattle (ex: a murderer easily destroys $1M in taxes per tax cow killed, gotta stop that)

3) Turf wars vs other gangs who would usurp their role as farmer

Re: Apple asked Amazon to block rival ads

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Post by TheCowboy »

Regnore wrote: post #64
kube-system wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because they don't "knowingly sell counterfeit goods". Amazon employees don't create these listings, other people do. Someone that "knowingly sells counterfeit goods" is humanly aware that a specific item they are selling is counterfeit, and decide to sell it anyway, which is not the case here. These listings are taken down whack-a-mole style as Amazon is made humanly aware of their existence.

Does Amazon do literally anything to pro-actively prevent the selling of counterfeit goods? > Prior to the deal, Apple sent “hundreds of thousands of take-down notices” to Amazon to reduce counterfeits, and the company conducted test purchases on Amazon that “consistently returned high counterfeit rates

It has become increasingly difficult to operate as a 3rd party seller on their platform. A lot of categories and items are "gated" requiring a lot of additional approval or limited access that's difficult to come by.

For example, there are books I purchased off of Amazon, directly from Amazon as new books, that I am not allowed to sell as used on their site. This wasn't always the case.

Re: Apple asked Amazon to block rival ads

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Post by paulryanrogers »

Regnore wrote: post #64
kube-system wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because they don't "knowingly sell counterfeit goods". Amazon employees don't create these listings, other people do. Someone that "knowingly sells counterfeit goods" is humanly aware that a specific item they are selling is counterfeit, and decide to sell it anyway, which is not the case here. These listings are taken down whack-a-mole style as Amazon is made humanly aware of their existence.

Does Amazon do literally anything to pro-actively prevent the selling of counterfeit goods? > Prior to the deal, Apple sent “hundreds of thousands of take-down notices” to Amazon to reduce counterfeits, and the company conducted test purchases on Amazon that “consistently returned high counterfeit rates

I'd argue commingling inventory "Fulfilled by Amazon" is tacitly endorsing counterfeiting.

Re: Apple asked Amazon to block rival ads

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Post by addicted »

I returned my unopened Apple Watch to Amazon.

Getting my money back has been a massive pain. Usually Amazon literally returns the money when the delivery person picks up the item from my doorstep.

But with this Amazon required a scheduled pickup with UPS, did not acknowledge receiving the item even though UPS showed it as received and a few weeks later they are still asking me to wait for 1 month before contacting them for any information.

Well, I filed a chargeback with my credit card and automagically the errors in their system got resolved, and the item shows as received (on the correct date 2+ weeks ago), and they are promising a refund in a week (as opposed to 2.5 more weeks).

Looks like they’re not just giving Apple preferential treatment but going out of their way to protect Apple.

Re: Apple asked Amazon to block rival ads

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Post by Eisenstein »

newZWhoDis wrote: post #72
ren_engineer wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

my question is why hasn't the FBI seized every Amazon warehouse for knowingly selling counterfeit goods? They do this routinely for smaller businesses selling fake stuff

The world makes a lot more sense when you realize the government is basically a gang. The majority of law enforcement/military action falls into a few buckets: 1) Farming the tax cattle (ex: speeding tickets) 2) Tracking down and punishing “foxes in the hen house” who disrupt their tax cattle (ex: a murderer easily destroys $1M in taxes per tax cow killed, gotta stop that) 3) Turf wars vs other gangs who would usurp…

The world makes a lot more sense when you realize it is composed of people, no matter what you decide to label them on top of that.

Re: Apple asked Amazon to block rival ads

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Post by Eisenstein »

StressedDev wrote: post #51
malfist wrote: post #30

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Amazon makes money from those garbage companies having an ad war over who gets to deceive the eyeballs of Amazon's customers first, and then takes a cut when it gets sold. Customer Obsession and Earns Trust might be two of Amazon's Leadership Principles, but no principles stand in the way of cold hard cash.

I agree with you about Amazon's leadership principals. It's clear that the retail side of Amazon regularly ignores them. My favorite example of this was I was browsing the "top 50" computer science books on Amazon. This was about 10 years ago. In the top 50, they had basic how to books (like how to use Linux or Excel), books on getting coding jobs, etc. They had almost no actual computer science books and yet, the to…

Honest question: why would you trust any public company? Do they have any motive to do anything in your interest that isn't somehow calculated to benefit them monetarily in the maximum way possible?

Re: Apple asked Amazon to block rival ads

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Post by arrosenberg »

zx8080 wrote: post #67
ren_engineer wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

my question is why hasn't the FBI seized every Amazon warehouse for knowingly selling counterfeit goods? They do this routinely for smaller businesses selling fake stuff

> my question is why hasn't the FBI seized every Amazon warehouse for knowingly selling counterfeit goods? What government would kill the goose that lays golden eggs? They pay tax. Buyers pay tax. Huge amount (but not that much as I expected [0]). What else is needed? 0 - https://www.investopedia.com/insights/amazon-effect-us-econo...

> What government would kill the goose that lays golden eggs? They pay tax.

Ironically, Amazon skated sales tax to such a degree that Congress had to change the law.

Re: Apple asked Amazon to block rival ads

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Post by Eisenstein »

addicted wrote: post #75

I returned my unopened Apple Watch to Amazon. Getting my money back has been a massive pain. Usually Amazon literally returns the money when the delivery person picks up the item from my doorstep. But with this Amazon required a scheduled pickup with UPS, did not acknowledge receiving the item even though UPS showed it as received and a few weeks later they are still asking me to wait for 1 month before contacting th…

If you are interested in continuing to do business with Amazon I would do some research into how they treat customers that have filed chargebacks against them. I don't personally have experience with this but it is probable that you will end up on their shit list and any further customer service actions may skew outside of you getting any benefit of the doubt or other considerations.
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