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HN allows links, yet I haven't seen any X-rated or X-rating adjacent links on here. It's a nontrivial moderation problem.
Do you browse "new," do you have showdead on? Hah, rewind. There's literally a porn site on the front page right now . https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38213707
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> I cannot believe I have to "fuzzy peaches" this topic Sorry for the tangent, but I have never seen this idiom. Can you elaborate on what you mean, and maybe say where you're from if this is a regional thing?
The "fuzzy peaches" or "freeze peaches" idiom translates to "free speech" and became a fairly popular term and discussion point over the last decade in U.S. politics. Especially during the Clinton vs Trump campaigns. When someone says "fuzzy peaches" or "freeze peaches" it's meant to sarcastically refer to the idea or right of "free speech" being used as a shield against criticism levied at an individual, or that ind…
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Do you browse "new," do you have showdead on? Hah, rewind. There's literally a porn site on the front page right now . https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38213707
Like the Omegle one, its a post-shutdown explanation, not porn media, at the link.
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This is a wild argument. Going to a coffee shop is voluntary too. You good with it if someone slaps their junk down on your table? There are standards of behaviour that apply to people regardless of context. Non-consensual sexual behaviour is one of those pretty standard basic ones.
You are responding to a stance no one has. Certainly not in this comment thread. You left out the part where I provided examples of private spaces that implicitly act as public spaces and set expectations either directly or through social norms. You have a very reasonable expectation of not having someone slap their junk on the table at a coffee shop. That is a physical, public space that was designed and advertised…
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Going to anywhere is voluntary and we still have public indecency laws. Doing it on the internet doesn't have an essential difference. Besides, the expectation is that members will follow the rules and the Omegle Community Guidelines clearly state > Nudity, pornography and sexually explicit conduct and content are prohibited This is opposed to a strip club where there is an expectation of nudity. It's like going to a…
>Doing it on the internet doesn't have an essential difference. It's more nuanced than that. Omegle was designed with the explicit purpose of not having any standards around the interaction between strangers. That was THE point. When you're done with the interaction for any reason, you click next or you exit the website. It's a private website, it's not a physical space you're trapped in, and its primary purpose was…
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Going to anywhere is voluntary and we still have public indecency laws. Doing it on the internet doesn't have an essential difference. Besides, the expectation is that members will follow the rules and the Omegle Community Guidelines clearly state > Nudity, pornography and sexually explicit conduct and content are prohibited This is opposed to a strip club where there is an expectation of nudity. It's like going to a…
>Doing it on the internet doesn't have an essential difference. It's more nuanced than that. Omegle was designed with the explicit purpose of not having any standards around the interaction between strangers. That was THE point. When you're done with the interaction for any reason, you click next or you exit the website. It's a private website, it's not a physical space you're trapped in, and its primary purpose was…
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HN treats it like the last bastion of intellectual free speech.
And where exactly is free speech left? Every public platform I’ve used over the last 20 years that had freedom of speech was shut down. Currently if you want to discuss ideas or issues that are outside of the publicly approved consensus, the only choice left is private chats. Even there the options are continually shrinking.
I dream of being able to healthy discuss stuff like "illegal crossing/immigration of mexicans" or "US gun control/freedom" , or even more touchy subjects like "pedophilia, as a mental sickness".
But in a place that is heavily moderated, free if bigots, knee jerk reactions and all those behaviours that online discussions are plagued with.
I am a Mexican myself, and I love being subscribed to the r/ccw subreddit (concealed carry). I've learned a lot and although I dont agree with a lot of the culture there, i am happy to try understand where pro-gun people are coming from.
There is nuance to every issue, and the only real way to make progress is to be able to establish a dialogue bringing forward and listening to all sides of the conversation.
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Freedom of speech implies the freedom to choose what speech one associates with and allows. It doesn't mean a platform is forced to allow all possible speech without moderation - that isn't freedom, it's coercion. And it wouldn't even be legal on whatever "public platforms" you're talking about. If you're looking for absolute, unfettered fuck-the-law freedom you're not going to find it on the open web. No administrat…
If that’s the case, then why did these platforms exist in the past and don’t exist now? I’m not just talking about virtual platforms, but also physical public forums and meetups. I agree with what you’re saying about admins, but the “who” that is shooting the bullet seems to be a growing bipartisan antiliberal movement. It’s not just my personal experience; globally there’s been a decrease in freedom of speech metric…
If you mean, for instance, Kiwifarms - their ISP and Cloudflare refused to do business with them for reasons other than being "antiliberal." You can't blame opposition to heinous behavior, or not wanting to do business with or be associated with KF, on simply being opposed to free speech. But they still exist, AFAIK. Gab was similarly "cancelled" by their host and service providers, because the platform itself and its behavior had become too toxic to be associated with, and violated terms of service for those partners.
Again, free speech doesn't guarantee a platform - it's a marketplace of ideas and you have to convince people your ideas are worth their time, doubly so where business associations are involved. Gab was fine until they started planning an insurrection and cheering on mass shooters. Trump was fine until he lost his mind and threatened the peaceful transfer of power. Omegele was fine until someone sued over the one thing Omegele is known for. There are always limits, everywhere. There are plenty of reasons to not want to be associated with such platforms and their content besides opposition to freedom of speech, but conflating everything into the actions of an "antiliberal movement" seems like bad faith.
So I don't know. You see attacks on free speech, I see the inevitable consequences of bad actors pushing things too far.
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This is a wild argument. Going to a coffee shop is voluntary too. You good with it if someone slaps their junk down on your table? There are standards of behaviour that apply to people regardless of context. Non-consensual sexual behaviour is one of those pretty standard basic ones.
You are responding to a stance no one has. Certainly not in this comment thread. You left out the part where I provided examples of private spaces that implicitly act as public spaces and set expectations either directly or through social norms. You have a very reasonable expectation of not having someone slap their junk on the table at a coffee shop. That is a physical, public space that was designed and advertised…
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Going to anywhere is voluntary and we still have public indecency laws. Doing it on the internet doesn't have an essential difference. Besides, the expectation is that members will follow the rules and the Omegle Community Guidelines clearly state > Nudity, pornography and sexually explicit conduct and content are prohibited This is opposed to a strip club where there is an expectation of nudity. It's like going to a…
>Doing it on the internet doesn't have an essential difference. It's more nuanced than that. Omegle was designed with the explicit purpose of not having any standards around the interaction between strangers. That was THE point. When you're done with the interaction for any reason, you click next or you exit the website. It's a private website, it's not a physical space you're trapped in, and its primary purpose was…
Can you exposit on social norms, their validity, and your methods of social reasoning? There seems to be a difference in underlying assumptions between us that is influencing how we think about this.