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Re: Fedora 39 Released

#71
post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt any of Red Hat paying customers are caring about image viewers or other important GNOME improvements in this release.

Red Hat didn't work on the image viewer. Why do you keep making comments on things you are uninformed on?

Because many of the new "features" are either unwanted or at worse distracting

Re: Fedora 39 Released

#72
post #21

Best Linux desktop/laptop distro hands down. Congrats Fedora!

I am ready to declare it the best OS. I've never been more productive since getting Fedora. 0 Forced reboots. With windows, forced reboots were a multi-weekly occurance. No dealing with autosaves and reopening anything. Its so fast, you click and something pops up. With windows, there seems to be like a 0.2s delay on everything. This adds up. I think I did some of those linux commands that everyone is afraid of doing…

Try out Silverblue. It's immutable Fedora. The one thing I didn't like about mutable Fedora is that update reboot was extremely slow, like 2-5min. Silverblue fixes that one gripe: the update reboot is no different to a regular boot. 90% of the work is done in CI, 10% is done prior to rebooting, and 0% happens during boot.

I went back to NixOS, but Silverblue was an incredibly close second.

Re: Fedora 39 Released

#73
post #33

Dynamic triple buffering for GNOME has been postponed again, fractional scaling is nowhere in sight, but they landed > a new workspace switcher and a much-improved image viewer. What a joke of a product management. Sometimes I envy guys who can rewrite workspace switchers again and again on Red Hat's money.

The amount of back seat dev that happens whenever Gnome does anything is amazing. You have no idea what the challenges are or how the development process works for this project. The workspace switcher could just be some drive by PR, who knows. Tripple buffering and fractional scaling are hard problems. If you don't think so, feel free to show them how it's done and implement it yourself.

> You have no idea what the challenges are or how the development process works for this project.

The magic of the open source gives you the possibility to see it. And I do sometimes take a look into a shitshow of management which is this three years old triple buffering MR [1]. Don't get me wrong, I didn't examine the code thoroughly, it might be a marvel of engineering, but when it takes you more than three years (and counting!) to land a feature, to the point where some people start to forgot why it was even necessary in the first place [2], and when downstream has to monkey-patch your feature as-is because the benefits are so big [3], you cannot say your development processes are alright.

And it's not only triple buffering, you can see the same pattern in the MR for VRR [4].

1. https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/merge_requests/1441

2. https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/merge_requests/1441#...

3. https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/why-ubuntu-22-04-is-so-fast-a...

4. https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/merge_requests/1154

Re: Fedora 39 Released

#74
post #33

Dynamic triple buffering for GNOME has been postponed again, fractional scaling is nowhere in sight, but they landed > a new workspace switcher and a much-improved image viewer. What a joke of a product management. Sometimes I envy guys who can rewrite workspace switchers again and again on Red Hat's money.

The amount of back seat dev that happens whenever Gnome does anything is amazing. You have no idea what the challenges are or how the development process works for this project. The workspace switcher could just be some drive by PR, who knows. Tripple buffering and fractional scaling are hard problems. If you don't think so, feel free to show them how it's done and implement it yourself.

Oh hush, the only reason people don't make their own contributions is because it's hard to keep up with their unstable API

Re: Fedora 39 Released

#75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Modern high-res screens in notebooks are almost unusable with Gnome. You need to enable "Large fonts" under accessibility to make it remotely usable. And these screens are becoming more common. So where do paying Red Hat customers use Gnome for then if it's not on notebooks and desktops? For servers?

That seems likely, yes

Mostly severs yes, desktop Linux died somewhere around 2010.

Re: Fedora 39 Released

#76
post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Red Hat didn't work on the image viewer. Why do you keep making comments on things you are uninformed on?

Because many of the new "features" are either unwanted or at worse distracting

Which features in the new release did you not want?

Re: Fedora 39 Released

#77
post #69

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Exactly, distros need to kept up-to-date, and by updating GNOME, you get new features for free. Downstream, Fedora grabs these updates. Downstream of that, someone spams Hacker News with the changelog. It's the cycle of life.

> Red Hat didn't work on the image viewer. Honestly glad to err here. Kudos to Chris Davis, Sophie Herold and other contributors. > Why do you keep making comments on things you are uninformed on? I'm informed well enough on the facts that a) Red Hat is the top contributor to GNOME; b) development of core GNOME features is going too little, too late, while every release is boasting about not-so-important stuff gettin…

Community members outnumber Red Hat developers.

Re: Fedora 39 Released

#78
post #46

KDE needs more attention. Now it is tucked away as a "spin" that does not inspire much confidence, but in some cases KDE provides much better user experience. Time to add all DEs into ISO and allow selecting the one you want during install, and software too. Like in old days of Fedora Core.

Come to where the air is crisp - Debian 12 is a fantastic KDE experience these days.

I actually have Debian 12 with KDE in a VirtualBox VM and am having issues with some windows appearing semi-transparent and not showing text, it's very weird and hard to explain. It might be because of a VirtualBox setting, i'm not sure. I still prefer it to a fully functioning gnome

Re: Fedora 39 Released

#79
post #21

Best Linux desktop/laptop distro hands down. Congrats Fedora!

I am ready to declare it the best OS. I've never been more productive since getting Fedora. 0 Forced reboots. With windows, forced reboots were a multi-weekly occurance. No dealing with autosaves and reopening anything. Its so fast, you click and something pops up. With windows, there seems to be like a 0.2s delay on everything. This adds up. I think I did some of those linux commands that everyone is afraid of doing…

For speed, I've been trying out using Clear Linux. It feels really fast. Getting software for it outside of FlatHub or in the Clear Linux repos basically means compiling from source, but so far it's been good.

Re: Fedora 39 Released

#80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Come to where the air is crisp - Debian 12 is a fantastic KDE experience these days.

I actually have Debian 12 with KDE in a VirtualBox VM and am having issues with some windows appearing semi-transparent and not showing text, it's very weird and hard to explain. It might be because of a VirtualBox setting, i'm not sure. I still prefer it to a fully functioning gnome

I’m running bare metal on a 13900K, RX 6600 gpu (wayland) connected to an 5K Apple studio display and I’ve had zero issues. TBH I can’t run gnome it crashes but KDE has been flawless.
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