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Re: Audacity 3.4

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Post by kzrdude »

teilo wrote: post #42

Audacity, despite its weaknesses compared to commercial tools, still excels at batch processing due to its Nyquist plugin suite. The macro tool is finicky, but you can still do things that nothing else can in a batch, like trimming leading and trailing silence and then adding an exact amount of silence to the front and end of a file. You would think functions so simple and obvious as this would already exist in Audit…

Audacity is also commercial, even if it's free and open source. That's because Muse is developing it and has a commercial interest in it, and their goals now (partly) govern the project.

For example, that also makes them vulnerable to "enshittification".

Re: Audacity 3.4

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Post by LWinterberg »

synergy20 wrote: post #4

this is made in wxWidgets by the way, a cross platform c++ GUI framework like Qt but 100% free on the other hand inkscape is made with gtkmm(gtk), which also runs cross platform.

Audacity will switch to Qt/QML for version 4 because wxWidgets just keeps getting in the way.

Re: Audacity 3.4

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Post by skrebbel »

Slow_Hand wrote: post #61
Aachen wrote: post #17

> You can now change the duration of your audio clips without affecting their pitch non-destructively. Audacity 3.4 uses a new time stretching algorithm specifically made for music, which outperforms many of the commercially available options. Way to bury the lede! What's this magic algorithm being spoken of, how does it work so well? > A more detailed overview of these changes can be found in our changelog . The cha…

I was curious myself, so I downloaded Audacity and tried. It's a granular time-stretch algorithm. By the sound of the artifacts at extreme settings it's akin to the 'Complex Pro' algorithm in Ableton Live (if you have any reference to that) and seems to be equally effective at a wide variety of sources (percussion, vocals, full records). Is it better than most commercial offerings? Hard to say after a brief test, but…

What's the regular go-to tool for audio pros? Adobe Audition or something else? I'm from the age when Sound Forge was considered leading (and Audition, then named CoolEdit, was its cheapo shareware competitor) so I'm probably way behind the times.

Re: Audacity 3.4

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Post by hurryer »

vintermann wrote: post #68
Slow_Hand wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was curious myself, so I downloaded Audacity and tried. It's a granular time-stretch algorithm. By the sound of the artifacts at extreme settings it's akin to the 'Complex Pro' algorithm in Ableton Live (if you have any reference to that) and seems to be equally effective at a wide variety of sources (percussion, vocals, full records). Is it better than most commercial offerings? Hard to say after a brief test, but…

Do you really make enough from being an audio professional that price doesn't matter? Whether you do or not, there are a hell of a lot of hawkers of software and "hardware" alike, who stand ready to sell their overpriced "professional" tools to people who fail to make it in the music industry (which is going to be most of them, regardless of tools or even skills). A high sticker price is a way to prove your commitmen…

Good professional audio hardware is not overpriced. Sure, there are $15k microphones but you absolutely do not need those, a $1k one is top quality and not expensive if you use it regularly.

You are confusing it with audiophile gear.

Regarding Audacity, it's missing tons of features and it's UI is bad. Just like Gimp vs Photoshop. I did some audio production and Audacity is just not usable beyond the most basic operations, and even those are a bit of pain.

Re: Audacity 3.4

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Post by [deleted] »

sneak wrote: post #60
swyx wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

seriously, people who get outraged over telemetry should temper their anger. most of the time the telemetry isn't used to sell your data or something nefarious (its quite useless if you dont even have a login, like audacity does), its just being used to try to improve the product for you. i write this as someone who's been involved in one too many debates about the perils of introducing telemetry to a commercial open…

It’s a consent violation. That always warrants anger. The purpose for violating consent is irrelevant. Using a user’s computer to spy on them when they don’t want it to is extremely rude, in all cases, even if the surveillance data is thrown away and never used. Developers who implement such features should be named and highlighted and should have trouble finding new jobs. It’s shady and unethical to make such softwa…

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Re: Audacity 3.4

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Post by didntcheck »

LWinterberg wrote: post #69
evgpbfhnr wrote: post #2

Speaking of which, how did that "audacity isn't FOSS" fuss end up? A quick search shows tenacity is still active ( https://codeberg.org/tenacityteam/tenacity ) but I have no idea how much the projects kept interacting after the initial debate

It's complete BS. Audacity never stopped being open source and currently has update checking and crash reporting - it does not have any telemetry.

And telemetry isn't even a bad thing. Firefox has had more extensive telemetry than Audacity for years. This idea that it's evil and nefarious to collect voluntary statistics on program usage to better target (limited) development resources is quite eye-rolling

Re: Audacity 3.4

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Post by thowawa47827 »

westcoast49 wrote: post #67
Slow_Hand wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was curious myself, so I downloaded Audacity and tried. It's a granular time-stretch algorithm. By the sound of the artifacts at extreme settings it's akin to the 'Complex Pro' algorithm in Ableton Live (if you have any reference to that) and seems to be equally effective at a wide variety of sources (percussion, vocals, full records). Is it better than most commercial offerings? Hard to say after a brief test, but…

> better than most commercial offerings The audacity!

<3

Re: Audacity 3.4

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Post by LWinterberg »

kzrdude wrote: post #71
teilo wrote: post #42

Audacity, despite its weaknesses compared to commercial tools, still excels at batch processing due to its Nyquist plugin suite. The macro tool is finicky, but you can still do things that nothing else can in a batch, like trimming leading and trailing silence and then adding an exact amount of silence to the front and end of a file. You would think functions so simple and obvious as this would already exist in Audit…

Audacity is also commercial, even if it's free and open source. That's because Muse is developing it and has a commercial interest in it, and their goals now (partly) govern the project. For example, that also makes them vulnerable to "enshittification".

Not really. Enshittification requires high switching costs, so users stick around despite thinking "yeah I should go somewhere else". With Audacity, switching costs are low. You either can compile the thing with the relevant features disabled, or you can just download an older version of the software and stick with that to the end of time if you dislike the changes a new version brings.

Even to the suitiest of corporate suits it's clear that the enshittification funnel (first it's awesome for users, then for partners like publishers and advertisers at the cost of users, then it's awesome for making money at the cost of everyone else) simply doesn't work with an open source program.

Re: Audacity 3.4

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Post by LWinterberg »

actionfromafar wrote: post #15
Conscat wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tenacity is distinct in more fundamental ways that just not being copyright infringement (for one, it uses a different GUI toolkit and is way slower and buggier), so its appeal at this point isn't closely related to whether people like Muse or not.

Would be nice with a fork which followed Audacity closely but without the telemetry. (Like VS Codium I suppose.)

This fork exists and it's called Audacity. Audacity doesn't have any telemetry, the PR never got merged. And any online functionality it does have (automatic update checking, crash reporting) can be turned off.
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