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Why is no one talking about if the girls were underage?
I would assume the girls - as classmates - are of a similar are to the "teen boys". There's unlikely to be a significant age differential, and it doesn't really change the ethical implications.
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Whaaaaaaa? How should it be legal to imagine minors naked? And in this case there is proof in the form of the child pornography they distributed.
> How should it be legal to imagine minors naked? Dicey grounds here, but it should be legal to imagine _anything_. Thoughtcrimes are always wrong, and there never should be any law on what you can think or imagine.
Our society will quickly need to adapt to the idea that seeing a photo of something no longer means it really happened. There are going to be fake videos, fake photos, fake articles, etc. Rather than burying our heads in the sand and making it illegal to produce those, I think the better long term approach is to teach our children to be skeptical, and to emphasize that we can't believe everything that's shared on the…
On the plus side, the advancing technology can provide plausible deniability if a genuine intimate photo/video gets leaked, although as long as we're hoping for humanity to evolve a little, maybe we can collectively get a little less prudish about the human body and sex too.
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Sure, and I agree that it's harassment, and reprehensible, but there will always be people who do it because there are a lot of shitty people out there.
Right so we can criminalise and tackle that. Rather than shrug our shoulders about it.
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> Did you read the article? It states they created the images and were sharing them. I'd need to see more to conclude harassment, i.e. proof of intent to cause psychological harm, versus teasing without any clue about the impacts of one's actions. > 'boys will be boys' mentality I don't think this is equivalent. This is immature kids playing with new technology and pushing the boundaries of decency with it. Without p…
> proof of intent to cause psychological harm, versus teasing without any clue about the impacts of one's actions Teasing, whether you have a clue or not, is intent to cause psychological harm. > Without proof of intended malice, or evidence of actual harm, it's not a matter for criminal procedure. I concur. However I think it absolutely is grounds for a civil matter.
As someone who teased and was teased, was bullied and may have crossed into bullying, I disagree. The behaviours, when done with a group, are the seeking of social approval. The victim is closer to irrelevant than targeted. Where it crosses into bullying or harassment is where the victim is germane.
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Right so we can criminalise and tackle that. Rather than shrug our shoulders about it.
We can criminalize adults for that. We're not supposed to criminalize children for acting inappropriately, we're supposed to teach/parent them. Either way, there should be no shrugging of shoulders and allowing harassment to go unaddressed.
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If you just shrug it off as “bullying” but I’m not convinced this behaviour is so innocent and I suspect that at some point between the age of 13-19 as in this case there should be more serious repercussions.
> If you just shrug it off as “bullying” It is literally bullying > I suspect that at some point between the age of 13-19 as in this case there should be more serious repercussions. Child development doesn't advance on a set schedule. Kids at the same age can be at vastly different levels of maturity and even older kids often make stupid choices carelessly. It's part of growing up. Their brains are a work in progress…
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We can criminalize adults for that. We're not supposed to criminalize children for acting inappropriately, we're supposed to teach/parent them. Either way, there should be no shrugging of shoulders and allowing harassment to go unaddressed.
It’s not just acting inappropriately it’s hurting other people. We wouldn’t (well hopefully) excuse rape or murder in the same way. Children very much can commit heinous acts and should with appropriate investigation into what they understand of it be held accountable. These are also teens rather than children. A lot of places allow people in their teen years all sorts of rights like the legal ability to consent to s…
If these kids had raped and murdered I'd agree that that's an issue teachers and parents need outside help to address, but that's not what we're talking about.
> These are also teens rather than children.
Teens are adolescent children and their undeveloped brains make them highly susceptible to making poor choices and failing to consider the consequences of their actions. This is the time of their lives when they're naturally going to do things that they shouldn't.
There's a reason we don't lock schoolyard bullies up for theft when they steal someone's lunch money. We don't arrest them for doxing when they write a classmates name and phone number next to "for a good time call" on the bathroom stall. That's stupid kid shit that children have been doing for ages and the solution isn't prison, it's parenting, so that those kids can learn from their poor choices and become better people.
Teens can be held accountable for their actions without involving law enforcement.
If they'd cut out their classmate's head from their yearbook photo and pasted it onto the body of a pornstar with elmer's glue would police have gotten involved? This type of bullying is as old as dirt. Bullies suck, and the kids who did this should get in some kind of trouble with the school and their parents, but this is not something police need to be involved in. The moral panic over deepfakes is ridiculous, but…
Whaaaaaaa? How should it be legal to imagine minors naked? And in this case there is proof in the form of the child pornography they distributed.
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If you just shrug it off as “bullying” but I’m not convinced this behaviour is so innocent and I suspect that at some point between the age of 13-19 as in this case there should be more serious repercussions.
> If you just shrug it off as “bullying” It is literally bullying > I suspect that at some point between the age of 13-19 as in this case there should be more serious repercussions. Child development doesn't advance on a set schedule. Kids at the same age can be at vastly different levels of maturity and even older kids often make stupid choices carelessly. It's part of growing up. Their brains are a work in progress…