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Lemming Suicide Myth: Disney Film Faked Bogus Behavior

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Post by graemep »

surge wrote: post #23
iancmceachern wrote: post #18

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Not different times, they're still at it

Yeah, you learn quickly in film school that documentaries edit footage however they like to tell a narrative. A lot of the incidents they describe happening in the wild are just multiple different situations clipped together, if you pay attention you'll notice some clips aren't even in the same place. There's even rumors recent footage of panicked animals were actually being caused by film crew drones, not anything h…

My pet hate regarding this docudrama where stuff that is just made up is mixed with real things and there is no way a viewer can tell the different.

Not new of course, has always happened even in books - e.g. the "people told Columbus the world was flat" myth was made up to spice up a biography.

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Post by bennyelv »

erickhill wrote: post #14

"Lemmings do not commit mass suicide. It's a myth, but it's remarkable how many people believe it." The sensational Amiga puzzle video game called "Lemmings" helped perpetuate the idea, too. :)

I’m convinced that some of the levels were deliberately unsolvable… get from one side of the screen to the other over a big chasm but you’ve got one exploding guy and one brick laying guy.

Maybe if I tried to play it again I’d realise that it was my limited 10 year old mind after all!

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Post by tmtvl »

ArnoVW wrote: post #69
elefanten wrote: post #67

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Are you referring to the original fairy tales that Disney content is based on? Even there, no example comes to mind. Which stories are you referencing?

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Cinderella is the lass who loses her shoe, not one of the ones who fall asleep, those are Sleeping Beauty and Snow White.

While the Snow White situation is especially bad (first time we see the guy is when he drops by to plant one on a presumed-dead minor), the Sleeping Beauty story is a bit more nuanced: he was there as a child when the curse was laid on the princess so he knows what's going on and they have at least some foundation for their relationship, albeit a shaky one (the meeting in the forest).

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Post by throwaway74093 »

graemep wrote: post #70
ArnoVW wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Not true. A kiss of life is not sexual in nature and its intent is different. In the Cinderella story it is a kiss motivated by sexual desire (even if it is not worded quite that way for kids). It would be different if the prince knew it would revive her - IIRC he does not. Assault might be a bit strong, and it does benefit her. However, it is definitely not something that would be normal behaviour in real life. How…

>In the Cinderella story it is a kiss motivated by sexual desire ... It would be different if the prince knew it would revive her - IIRC he does not.

I believe you and the person you are quoting are referring to Snow White and not Cinderella?

Premising that I'm not acquainted with the original story, I find the claim that an "useless" kiss is inherently sexual ridiculous: kisses can be displays of affection without carrying romantic or sexual connotations, not to mention giving a last kiss to a deceased loved one is not that uncommon.

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Post by eloisant »

graemep wrote: post #70
ArnoVW wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Not true. A kiss of life is not sexual in nature and its intent is different. In the Cinderella story it is a kiss motivated by sexual desire (even if it is not worded quite that way for kids). It would be different if the prince knew it would revive her - IIRC he does not. Assault might be a bit strong, and it does benefit her. However, it is definitely not something that would be normal behaviour in real life. How…

Fairy tales come from a different time, with different values

Re: Lemming Suicide Myth: Disney Film Faked Bogus Behavior

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Post by eloisant »

yieldcrv wrote: post #20
erickhill wrote: post #14

"Lemmings do not commit mass suicide. It's a myth, but it's remarkable how many people believe it." The sensational Amiga puzzle video game called "Lemmings" helped perpetuate the idea, too. :)

The phrase of calling uncritical thinkers “lemmings” also helps entrench the idea

doesn't that come from the video game?

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Post by tgv »

pricci wrote: post #13

> The lemmings supposedly committing mass suicide by leaping into the ocean were actually thrown off a cliff by the Disney filmmakers. I guess the 50s where different times

City boy or girl? Me too, but I had some relatives with a farm, and some (quite a few, it would seem) farmers see animals as property and you can do to them whatever you want. If you need to cut their tail or their testicles for profit, you do it. Kill them? Sure. Put kittens in a bag with a few stones and throw them in a pond? Of course.

And that's not looking at the industrial scale at which animals are mutilated for food. Throwing a few lemmings over a cliff is insignificant.

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Post by [deleted] »

the_af wrote: post #37
somenameforme wrote: post #32

The scene may have been staged, but Wiki's entry on them suggests the demonstrated behavior is completely authentic, instead taking a more semantic argument about the term suicide: --- "Lemmings have become the subject of a widely popular misconception that they are driven to commit mass suicide when they migrate by jumping off cliffs. It is not a deliberate mass suicide, in which animals voluntarily choose to die, b…

Yeah, I was thinking that too. I guess Disney's real offense was picking the wrong subspecies of lemming (one that absolutely doesn't have this behavior) and forcibly dropping them off a cliff because the little creatures wouldn't play along otherwise. Pretty nasty.

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Post by willis936 »

civilitty wrote: post #66
the_af wrote: post #37

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Yeah, I was thinking that too. I guess Disney's real offense was picking the wrong subspecies of lemming (one that absolutely doesn't have this behavior) and forcibly dropping them off a cliff because the little creatures wouldn't play along otherwise. Pretty nasty.

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A cartoon depiction of kissing a life-saving non-consensual kiss somehow is not as bad as actually murdering dozens of real world living animals on camera for profit.
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