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Re: The Cloud Computer

#71

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> They sell servers, but as a finished product. They sell rack-as-compute.[0] Their minimum order is one rack: You plug in power and network, connect to the built-in management software (API), and start spinning up VMs. [0] With built-in networking and storage.

So just hyperconverged infrastructure with a cute name?

With rack- and multi-rack-level management of all your hardware infrastructure (including networking and storage, along with VMs) using an API:

* https://docs.oxide.computer/api/guides/responses

Re: The Cloud Computer

#72
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Absolutely. The point of cloud computing is that I don't have to care where something is running and that I (theoretically) have infinite elasticity and can scale in and out as fast and much as I need to. None of that applies here.

This server is for cloud operators - i.e. for organizations that are building their own cloud infrastructure. That's why Oxide is drawing comparisons to hyperscalers.

If you are building your own cloud infrastructure, you're not doing cloud computing.

Unless you rent it out and are a cloud provider, but the website at least does not seem to target those.

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#73

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Sort of. The big deal with Oxide is that all the legacy compatibility with the IBM PC platform is gone, and the whole stack, top-to-bottom, is built by then (including firmware). It's not like commodity x86 gear with black-box (often buggy) firmware and layer-upon-layer of hacks and compatibility kludges to present the hardware interface of a late model IBM PC AT.

What makes you think so? According to their website, the compute bit is based on AMD EPYC 7713P CPUs. I can buy these at my local electroncis retailer. So pretty much commodity x86.

The CPU is commodity, nothing else is. Costume Mainboard and firmware without BIOS and their own BMCish thing and their own Root of Trust. Same for their router. Standard chip, everything else is costume.

Re: The Cloud Computer

#74

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So just hyperconverged infrastructure with a cute name?

With rack- and multi-rack-level management of all your hardware infrastructure (including networking and storage, along with VMs) using an API: * https://docs.oxide.computer/api/guides/responses

Yeah including networking and storage together with virtualization is what makes hyperconverged infrastructure hyperconverged. Otherwise it's usually just called converged infrastructure.

It's nice, it's just nothing new.

Re: The Cloud Computer

#75

I'm a bit confused about them calling it a cloud computer. The primary benefit of cloud is you spend opex instead of capex. Isn't this moving back to capex again?

That was the line we were sold by cloud vendors. There is a reason that significant portions of both native cloud and migrated workloads are shifting back to self-hosted; the cost savings never materialized.

My google-fu failed to find any articles for or against my statement that weren’t paid advertising or lightweight tech summaries. StackOverflow will have to do. https://stackoverflow.blog/2023/02/20/are-companies-shifting...

Re: The Cloud Computer

#76

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Sort of. The big deal with Oxide is that all the legacy compatibility with the IBM PC platform is gone, and the whole stack, top-to-bottom, is built by then (including firmware). It's not like commodity x86 gear with black-box (often buggy) firmware and layer-upon-layer of hacks and compatibility kludges to present the hardware interface of a late model IBM PC AT.

What makes you think so? According to their website, the compute bit is based on AMD EPYC 7713P CPUs. I can buy these at my local electroncis retailer. So pretty much commodity x86.

The difference is that when you're buying a x86 system, the entire CPU bringup (incl. AMEGAS/openSIL on AMD) runs proprietary and poorly documented firmware. You're entirely at the mercy of the vendor.

Oxide has put immense effort into writing open-source platform initialization code, and built their own open-source BMC/RoT solution.

Re: The Cloud Computer

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post #60

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This server is for cloud operators - i.e. for organizations that are building their own cloud infrastructure. That's why Oxide is drawing comparisons to hyperscalers.

If you are building your own cloud infrastructure, you're not doing cloud computing. Unless you rent it out and are a cloud provider , but the website at least does not seem to target those.

Nonsense. The operative bit of "cloud" is "provision and de-provision instantly via an API, without much concern for what's going on inderneath", not "lives in someone else's datacenter".

Re: The Cloud Computer

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post #73

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What makes you think so? According to their website, the compute bit is based on AMD EPYC 7713P CPUs. I can buy these at my local electroncis retailer. So pretty much commodity x86.

The CPU is commodity, nothing else is. Costume Mainboard and firmware without BIOS and their own BMCish thing and their own Root of Trust. Same for their router. Standard chip, everything else is costume.

So similar to a IBM mainframe then?

Re: The Cloud Computer

#79

> Everyone at Oxide makes $201,227 USD, regardless of location. Man I would love to work for a company like that. I don't know why more people don't set their startups like that.

Exactly, man! That's the way it should be done. It's not a company's business to decide how much your life should cost. It's its business to reward you for the value you provide, and that value is not tethered to your location, so neither should be your salary!

This really is one of these things where every employee in a cheap cost of living area will say "Exactly, man!" and people in an expensive area will see it differently because it might cap them lower than what they could get.

I always find that a very naive point of view, of course I would want to earn a US tech salary while living somewhere in the country side, who wouldn't. But I'm also aware that this is not how the world works in reality, there's different tax systems, different expense costs and we don't live in a global one-market world.

I find the strategy of defining different "zones", like most of the remote first / salary transparency companies much more realistic.

Re: The Cloud Computer

#80

> Everyone at Oxide makes $201,227 USD, regardless of location. Man I would love to work for a company like that. I don't know why more people don't set their startups like that.

One of the many reasons I like working at Crazyegg.
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