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Psychedelic Mushrooms Hit the Market in Oregon

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Re: Psychedelic Mushrooms Hit the Market in Oregon

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Post by donnythecroc »

grigri907 wrote: post #26
legitster wrote: post #17

I'm a fairly drug-averse person. I have no qualms about other people using them, but it took us over 30 years to really understand the implications of legalized opioids. And that was after a lengthy and expensive FDA process. So respect to all of the early adopters who have nothing to lose and are willing to put their own sanity at risk. I just don't understand people who in one breath curse the Sackler family but th…

I too am fairly drug-averse. And after 40 years of avoiding all drugs but caffeine and alcohol, I dipped my toe into psilocybin and found not only was it profoundly therapeutic in terms of self-acceptence, self-love, and anxiety-reduction, I found after 3 or 4 uses, I had no further interest in it whatsoever. Is my experience universal? Of course not, but an anecdote to consider alongside yours.

Same here. Did it once and it saved my life. Point is it was only legally accessible to rich people. I.e. I had to fly to amsterdam pay for pre and post psychotherapy and multi day care. This is so wildly different to recreational use.

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Post by firecall »

petesergeant wrote: post #29
firecall wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And what they never tell you, in my experience, is the horrible experience of trying to come off them!

I'm sorry your experience of coming off them was horrible, but that is not "the experience", and many people come off them without issue.

Totally, I'm sure many people have no issues :-)

Here's a recent Guardian article:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/apr/17/i-stopped-sl...

From the article:

> Horowitz experienced a prolonged antidepressant withdrawal in 2015 that caused intense panic attacks and, he says, even left him contemplating suicide. This personal experience has led the training psychiatrist to become an advocate for reforming antidepressant deprescribing.

> In June 2022 the UK health regulator, Nice, amended its guidance on how to support people coming off antidepressants, acknowledging the severity and length of withdrawal symptoms can vary. Nice encourages slow, staggered tapering over many months, if needed.

> In Australia, the RANZCP guidelines continue to recommend tapering by halving and quartering the lowest dose over about two to six weeks, and acknowledged that while slower tapering might sometimes be needed, it mostly isn’t possible in Australia “as current preparations of antidepressants do not allow for the dose to be reduced by such small decrements”.

There are well documented side effects of stopping SSRI usage that are not related to the original symptoms that the drug is prescribed to treat.

But yes, we all have different experiences, and there are many types of SSRIs. :-)

Re: Psychedelic Mushrooms Hit the Market in Oregon

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Post by kykeonaut »

legitster wrote: post #27
Archio wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you understand what happened in the opioid crisis, and why people are mad at the Sacklers? They weren’t hapless naive actors that didn’t fully understand “the implications” of the drugs they were selling. The effects of opioid addiction were WELL known when oxycontin was introduced, and Purdue Pharmaceuticals deliberately misrepresented critical information about the drugs they sold and had salespeople lie in a wh…

From the article: > Dr. Janis Phelps, director of the Center for Psychedelic Therapies and Research at the California Institute of Integral Studies, said she and other researchers had been wary of the decriminalization movement. Many in the field had worked for years to remain strictly scientific, hoping to avoid government crackdowns, and to give the U.S. Food and Drug Administration time to fully review the effects…

The problem here is that there is no evidence. All the evidence of negative effects so far is anecdotal, which in reality calls for more research in the area [0]. In addition, only about 0.2% report having sought emergency treatment [1] when using psylocibin.

[0] https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal...

[1] https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/02698811221084...

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Post by explaininjs »

elwell wrote: post #55
explaininjs wrote: post #30

Been there, done that. Have the postcard. I got to experience the even more fun version where you feel like your death is imminent, you watch your surroundings stop rendering chunk by chunk, and your long term friend is telling you it is indeed all a simulation that everyone but me knew about, and I really was dying (more accurately: going "offline" for an upgrade, and my "spirit" wouldn't be persisted across version…

What does it mean when you say "Jesus saved me"? This is an earnest question, not instigative.

You're asking me to summarize years of reflection and several near-death experiences into an internet message board comment, but I'll try to scrape the surface.

In short, I had lost all faith in the "official narrative" of creation/existence/whatever as taught in schools/society/etc. that I had grown up believing (growing up I'd have called myself atheist, then agnostic). You might call this an anti-science view, but I'd counter it is more scientific to reject a theory when it does not match observations than to keep it just because it's "the standard". Anyways, this put me on a path of not knowing anything to believe, which is to say any seemingly small flashback/thought/whatever could shatter whatever worldview I had been temporarily existing in and send me into a seizure.

This continued for some time until I began to be touched by what christians would call the Holy Spirit, which guided me towards preachers of the Gospels (aka "The Word", aka "Jesus Christ" (see John 1)). I began to see the innate truth presented by The Word, as I saw how my lived experiences were consistently in agreement with it. For one, I embraced prayer and observed the Father respond to it.

Basically, I built up a new worldview around The Word (Jesus Christ) and it has been unshakable, in stark contrast to all the attempts I had made to do the same without Jesus (Matthew 7:24-27 summarizes this well).

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Post by mypalmike »

elwell wrote: post #55
explaininjs wrote: post #30

Been there, done that. Have the postcard. I got to experience the even more fun version where you feel like your death is imminent, you watch your surroundings stop rendering chunk by chunk, and your long term friend is telling you it is indeed all a simulation that everyone but me knew about, and I really was dying (more accurately: going "offline" for an upgrade, and my "spirit" wouldn't be persisted across version…

What does it mean when you say "Jesus saved me"? This is an earnest question, not instigative.

Many people who struggle with things like mental health, addiction, and general life dysfunction find religion grounding. Religions answer questions about ethics, foundational reality, and other aspects of life that are riddled with ambiguity.

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Post by globalise83 »

legitster wrote: post #17

I'm a fairly drug-averse person. I have no qualms about other people using them, but it took us over 30 years to really understand the implications of legalized opioids. And that was after a lengthy and expensive FDA process. So respect to all of the early adopters who have nothing to lose and are willing to put their own sanity at risk. I just don't understand people who in one breath curse the Sackler family but th…

Up until the mid 2000s, psychedelic mushrooms in their natural state were completely legal in the UK. They were banned based on virtual no evidence of harm or widespread abuse despite being used recreationally for decades, just because the government decided that they didn't seem like the kind of thing that should be legal.

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Post by SequoiaHope »

mhitza wrote: post #66
legitster wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure. But there are all sorts of negative side effects we should also be worrying about besides just dependence. And we've also known about problems from psychedelic abuse for centuries. And we're talking about dumping them on the market with way less oversight than we did opioids! It's like that truism about the military always fighting past wars...

> And we've also known about problems from psychedelic abuse for centuries. Such as?

Dancing, having parties, questioning authority, having a good time, etc etc
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