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Re: Raspberry Pi 5: available now

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

justin66 wrote: post #53
edgyquant wrote: post #46

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This is such an out of touch comment. Not every, definitely not a majority, hobbyist spend thousands of dollars on their hobby. You sound like a rich kid who doesn’t understand $8 milk is expensive.

No one is suggesting people ought to spend thousands of dollars on their hobby. The point is that the difference between an $80 computer and a $120 computer (for example) is not going to break any hobbiest in 2023. I'm trying to figure out why anyone wants to pretend that that kind of difference is a big deal, and why it always manifests in Raspberry Pi conversations. It's weird. > edgyquant Haha.

Having been a teenager and broke college student, I can assure you that $40 does in fact matter to some hobbyists.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5: available now

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Post by justin66 »

dividedbyzero wrote: post #56
justin66 wrote: post #20

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Is there some missing context here, like "...and they only have ten dollars to spend on hobbies during the entirety of 2023 due to the famine wracking their homeland?" I mean, when you're talking about things (items in your "finite hobby budget") that cost less than a hundred dollars, why are you going to fuss about the "price point?" I am intrigued by how much this appears to matter to people who comment on Raspberr…

> I mean, when you're talking about things (items in your "finite hobby budget") that cost less than a hundred dollars, why are you going to fuss about the "price point?" I am intrigued by how much this appears to matter to people who comment on Raspberry Pi threads. Usually an SBC is just one item on a project's part list. If I can get one that's equally suitable and 20 Euro less, that's another bunch of sensors, or…

All fair points, in isolation. It's the overall gestalt of the cost-related conversation surrounding the Pi that I still don't understand. I appreciate you sharing your thoughts.

(thanks for not mentioning that you could just buy a used PC on ebay for less, har har har)

Re: Raspberry Pi 5: available now

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Post by monocasa »

fensgrim wrote: post #52
treve wrote: post #26

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Not saying this applies, but: The speed of the raspberry pi goes up dramatically when using a fast USB disk instead of micro SD. Most people start with a micro SD, and I had no idea how much faster a Pi could go.

my 2¢: if external storage is not an option for some reason, dropping ext4 in favor for F2FS will do a lot of good for sparing your sdcard from early death (due to superblock updates happening every so often), if not for performance due to ext4 not being flash-aware by design. If that's not an option AND your setup has no power issues (e.g. it has good power supply, externally powered usb hub etc), disabling journall…

SD cards have a FTL internally; I'm not sure F2FS helps you much there.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5: available now

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Post by squarefoot »

Too little, too late, too expensive. With the RP2040 they showed the world that they can still make very interesting products that fill the low footprint and low cost niche, but the battle for cheap and powerful Linux boards in my opinion is lost; the competition already won in that field and today is years ahead.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5: available now

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Post by DrammBA »

esskay wrote: post #39
amelius wrote: post #2

But is it still the most attractive SBC at its price point?

Technically yes but in most cases you dont need an sbc. An old Lenovo Thinkcentre or Dell OptiPlex Micro can end up being cheaper by the time you add all the additional expenses onto the pi (storage, power, case, etc). The micropc's are also infinately better performing and are upgradable.

What about energy usage for the next few years?

Re: Raspberry Pi 5: available now

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Post by Mordisquitos »

eropple wrote: post #43
Narishma wrote: post #13

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That has more to do with the web ecosystem than the Raspberry Pi hardware.

It really doesn't. Cheap phones have browsed the web just fine for a long time, now. Raspberry Pi makes some weird hardware choices and have been suffering from it for a while. The insistence on SD cards (other manufacturers support eMMC or m.2 or both, and while RPi5 does now this has been the case elsewhere for A While) is the biggest problem with overall perf, including browsers. I would expect the boards with the…

Cheap phones don't browse 'the' web 'just' fine—they browse 'a phone-optimised responsive' web 'reasonably' fine.

A fair comparison of cheap phones and a Raspberry Pi would be browsing the web with the "Desktop site" feature enabled in the phone browser.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5: available now

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Post by sonic45132 »

minton wrote: post #30
kkielhofner wrote: post #18

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> 2. X86 System A lot of the small/mini/micro form-factor systems (even ~five year old used corporate machines) are almost always the (significantly) better option at the price point. I bought a used Dell SFF system a couple of weeks ago for $119 that runs circles around the Pi in every way (16GB RAM, NVMe, real I/O, real USB, PCIe, six core i5, etc) while idling at 9 watts, which makes little difference in operating…

Dell SFF Systems I’ve looked at are huge. They are like 3-4x the size of a Pi 5. Is there a specific model that is more comparable in size to the Pi?

Dell calls them micro. Like 5090 micro. HP and Lenovo also have them, calling them mini and tiny respectively.

They are about a litre in volume. However they give up the pcie slots for the size.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5: available now

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Post by accrual »

doublepg23 wrote: post #70
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #48

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> Once an 8GB pi cost more than an i3 or i5 mini pc But the Pi probably costs less once you factor in energy costs, no?

X86 machines have had perfectly fine idle wattages for ages now. I’m not sure why people think an x86 machine is sucking 50W at all times or something.

Anecdata: I have a netbook from around 2009 with an Atom processor. Default clock is 1.6 GHz but I ran it at 800 MHz. With an SSD inside, it sips power and ran 24/7 basic web services for years.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5: available now

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Post by galangalalgol »

squarefoot wrote: post #74

Too little, too late, too expensive. With the RP2040 they showed the world that they can still make very interesting products that fill the low footprint and low cost niche, but the battle for cheap and powerful Linux boards in my opinion is lost; the competition already won in that field and today is years ahead.

Mosern microcontrollers are extremely capable, I agree. But they aren't running a recognizable OS yet. It seems like the only thing holding them back is the ram size generally. The processors on these things obliterate my first linux machine. Is there a reason we have the offerings we do? A kiosk could absolutely be run on a rp2040 if it had more memory.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5: available now

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Post by fanf2 »

bhouston wrote: post #22
amelius wrote: post #2

But is it still the most attractive SBC at its price point?

Orange PI 5 Plus is faster (10% faster single threaded, 200% faster multicore per Geekbench) and also supports up to 32GB of memory. It has decent support, but not anything like the Raspberry Pi ecosystem. So if you want a SBC that is fast for special well defined projects, go with Orange PI 5 Plus, but if you want one for arbitrary hobby projects with tons of support everywhere, go with the Raspberry Pi series.

Orange PI 5 Plus is about 2x the cost of Raspberry Pi 5.
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