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Re: Alexei Navalny's lawyers are arrested

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You were asleep when Trump's lawyers were arrested? Or when Lynne Stewart was arrested?

The difference, I think, is that Trump's lawyers have committed actual crimes, not just "opposed Putin".

Sydney Powell pleaded guilty to election interference yesterday

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The official version spread by the propaganda is that his lawyers did not only what lawyers should do, but also helped him pass letters from the jail to the outside world and thus control his "terrorist" organization (Anti-Corruption Foundation). This counts as complicity and direct participation in the deeds of a "terrorist" organization.

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Re: Alexei Navalny's lawyers are arrested

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Yeah, that’s downright revolting. Not surprising I guess, but still. Now there’s this white haired journalist that’s currently rotting in a British jail because of his work…

And this has to do with Russia... How?

Or are we just doing whataboutism?

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Assange isn't a lawyer, and definitely isn't "the opposition's lawyer".

Yeah. But he was also over a decade in jail without a trial. Don't get me worng: The state of justice here is certainly better than in Russia, but we should give ourselves the same scrutiny we give to the Russians. Closing our eyes when we do obvious unlawful things is bad for our rule of law and makes us look like hypocrites when we (rightfully) point out injustices elsewhere.

Yep.

On the other hand, not even his fellow journalists do anything... They could at least do a weekly article, "assange is still in jail", because in reality, you're either "just a reporter" (who writes articles about what someone, usually from the government, said) or you could actually do some meaningful investigative work, and end up like him. I know that corporate mainstream media reports just what their owners want them to report, but even kevin mitnick had more media support and individuals asking hard questions than assange has now.

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I have a huge respect for Navalny. They tried to murder him and after spending time in a German hospital he decided to go back knowing that they'll imprison him or try to kill him again.

>knowing I think the risk was huge (personally I thought 50-70% at the time), but not 99% or something. Also (in my opinion) people don't take into account that alternative was irrelevance in exile, just look at what happened with Kasparov's popularity inside Russia, and he was a prominent opposition activist in 2011-2012.

> irrelevance in exile, just look at what happened with Kasparov's popularity inside Russia

Then again, Kasparov undermines Russia more efficiently while in exile than Navalny while inside (a prison no less). And Navalvy social media statements in exile might have been even more undermining Kasparov's.

Of course, undermining Russia with words might not help at all anyway...

Re: Alexei Navalny's lawyers are arrested

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How much popular support does Navalny have in Russia? (I realize Russia is a banana republic and Navalny is a hero but does he actually represent something that has wide support in Russia? From the few Russians I have talked to, they seems supportive of Putin despite everything.)

One poll from May 2023 that I saw (the pollster is quite respectable): "When asked 300 days before presidential elections Russians say they would vote for: 30,2% Putin 2% Prigozhin 2% Navalny 1.3% Zhirinovsky (who is dead)" https://twitter.com/ABarbashin/status/1663222792605630464 https://russianfield.com/300days Not a lot, but still higher than other non-Putin candidates (except Prigozhin, who is now dead)

I believe it does not represent the actual state of affairs.

Firstly, many people wouldn't say they'd vote for Navalny -- that's just against the self-preservation instincts.

Secondly, there are many people who are not "in love" with Navalny, his team and personal views, but still think he'd be a much better president than Putin.

I'd personally estimate the count of people here (in Russia) that are neutral/neutral-positive/positive about Navalny at 15-25%. And much higher at hightech giants and top univesities at Moscow/Saint-Petersburg.

Re: Alexei Navalny's lawyers are arrested

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I have a huge respect for Navalny. They tried to murder him and after spending time in a German hospital he decided to go back knowing that they'll imprison him or try to kill him again.

Same for me. I realize that he is also pro-imperialism and would probably be worse for Europe than Putin (Russia would be more efficient)

But him facing jail with an upright stance shows a lot of skin in the game, you cannot ignore that.

Re: Alexei Navalny's lawyers are arrested

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The official version spread by the propaganda is that his lawyers did not only what lawyers should do, but also helped him pass letters from the jail to the outside world and thus control his "terrorist" organization (Anti-Corruption Foundation). This counts as complicity and direct participation in the deeds of a "terrorist" organization.

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I would be worried for poor, poor putin if Russia didn't do the "decedent, satanic, LGBT, degenerate" western concept called arresting someone for breaking the law as somone from west I can now rest easy knowing thanks to your comment, that indeed Russia does indeed practice this.

Re: Alexei Navalny's lawyers are arrested

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

One poll from May 2023 that I saw (the pollster is quite respectable): "When asked 300 days before presidential elections Russians say they would vote for: 30,2% Putin 2% Prigozhin 2% Navalny 1.3% Zhirinovsky (who is dead)" https://twitter.com/ABarbashin/status/1663222792605630464 https://russianfield.com/300days Not a lot, but still higher than other non-Putin candidates (except Prigozhin, who is now dead)

So, with Putin out of the picture he'd be leading the pack?

It's hard to predict. It probably depends on how exactly Putin would be "out of the picture".
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