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It's ESA - the European Space Agency so it's the more sensible dd/mm/yyyy 4th of October posting.

For confirmation it refers to a graphic dated 24-09-2023 which has to be dd-mm-yyyy and places the article after the ninth month.

There are very few countries that use mm dd yyyy, mainly just United States, Canada, and the Philippines with a few other minor cases.

Re: Ozone hole goes large again

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There have been a lot of large volume methane releases too methane are much worse ozone damaging molecule compared to CFCs. Plus Siberia and northern regions with melting permafrost are releasing large amounts of methane. Turkmenistan seems to be the worst for methane emissions from industry. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/mar/06/revealed... >The variability of the size of the ozone hole is largely dete…

It is the opposite. Methane eventually degraded to ozone:

https://www.envchemgroup.com/climate-change-methane-and-ozon....

It will take many years for this ozone to reach the high levels of the atmosphere

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post #71
post #68

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It's ESA - the European Space Agency so it's the more sensible dd/mm/yyyy 4th of October posting. For confirmation it refers to a graphic dated 24-09-2023 which has to be dd-mm-yyyy and places the article after the ninth month. There are very few countries that use mm dd yyyy, mainly just United States, Canada, and the Philippines with a few other minor cases.

_Officially_, Canada's locale uses yyyy-mm-dd. But the American date format still has the popular favor, because reasons.

Re: Ozone hole goes large again

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any sufficiently big country is very anarchic in that sense. US and India are made of literal states. Russia resembles a medieval feudal structure. UK is England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, and it all would be about 5% population of China. An idea that someone or something could govern such a huge amount of people directly and controlling all aspects of life and economy looks absurd to me.

You should spend some time on YouTube watching videos about China and North Korea. It’s not absurd at all and the psychological mechanisms are well known to anyone who’s spent time reviewing how controlling a population works. Just a minimal cursory review reveals how fear and a rigid hierarchy are all that’s needed.

> Just a minimal cursory review reveals how fear and a rigid hierarchy are all that’s needed

Or you can just work for a large company.

Re: Ozone hole goes large again

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>If people stop complying we would get way more power and overall reduce inequality between the few rich and powerful and politically connect and you everyday Joe. I dont believe it Inequality would be even worse and upward mobility would be reduced, at least in the west.

That’s … not how it works. The US had built strong unions in multiple areas of work because people didn’t comply with what was expected of them. This is part of why its middle class became large and monetarily strong. We’re people to band together in defiance of the expectations of the wealthy and political class, they could wrestle power back and rebalance the system. It’s history. Go read it.

Violent uprisings are historically common, including in the Roman Republic and later Roman Empire. They were crushed judiciously early by Rome's farmer-warriors (who had a very martial culture) and hundreds of years later by Rome's professional army. This is the primary way that states de facto have power.

You're right that you can't have a Pharaoh without a huge society built around one, but you don't get that society without a professional force policing the farming of the Nile, and you don't get successful farming of the Nile without a police force strong enough to oppose resistance / enforce retribution on "cheaters" with regard to water redistribution.

Regarding revolutions: sometimes the govt realizes it has a cancer and takes steps to cut it out or irradiate it. Sometimes the cancer wins and the entire body dies. Out of the ashes typically rises...autocracy. You only get something else when the power brokers actively strive to make such a thing, and even then you still frequently end up with autocracy.

History. Go read it.

Re: Ozone hole goes large again

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any sufficiently big country is very anarchic in that sense. US and India are made of literal states. Russia resembles a medieval feudal structure. UK is England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, and it all would be about 5% population of China. An idea that someone or something could govern such a huge amount of people directly and controlling all aspects of life and economy looks absurd to me.

You should spend some time on YouTube watching videos about China and North Korea. It’s not absurd at all and the psychological mechanisms are well known to anyone who’s spent time reviewing how controlling a population works. Just a minimal cursory review reveals how fear and a rigid hierarchy are all that’s needed.

It's always local lords and barons who make the rules. There are top-down rules, more like guidelines really, which are used to remove local government officials under whatever pretext when things go really south.

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China, behind the surface, is very anarchic, bejing can make rules all it wants but the local government beyond surface placation won't honor the spirit and restart production of all kind of stuff. Which is fascinating, cause as soon as party rule is threatened, that very same principle ceases to apply.

Any sufficiently big country is very anarchic in that sense. US and India are made of literal states. Russia resembles a medieval feudal structure. UK is England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, and it all would be about 5% population of China. An idea that someone or something could govern such a huge amount of people directly and controlling all aspects of life and economy looks absurd to me.

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Re: Ozone hole goes large again

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any sufficiently big country is very anarchic in that sense. US and India are made of literal states. Russia resembles a medieval feudal structure. UK is England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, and it all would be about 5% population of China. An idea that someone or something could govern such a huge amount of people directly and controlling all aspects of life and economy looks absurd to me.

You should spend some time on YouTube watching videos about China and North Korea. It’s not absurd at all and the psychological mechanisms are well known to anyone who’s spent time reviewing how controlling a population works. Just a minimal cursory review reveals how fear and a rigid hierarchy are all that’s needed.

By watching YouTube and made conclusions like this you literary fulfill your description of manipulated society.

Re: Ozone hole goes large again

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It goes "large again" every year with the seasons, but the overall trend is that it's still shrinking:

Claus concludes, “Based on the Montreal Protocol and the decrease of anthropogenic ozone-depleting substances, scientists currently predict that the global ozone layer will reach its normal state again by around 2050.”

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