I can't be the only one that's surprised that Nokia still has 86000 employees. It makes me wonder what they all do.
Oof, that's a spicy thing to say with so many IT folks getting fired lately.
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I find people that don't read what is written a lot more tiring. Where did I assume I can accurately assess how many employees Nokia is supposed to have?
So if you can't assess - why are you suprised about this particular number?
I would read his comment more as "I didn't know the company was still so big" than "wow how stupid are they that they didn't fire all those people years ago"
Re: Nokia to axe up to 14,000 jobs to cut costs
#73I can't be the only one that's surprised that Nokia still has 86000 employees. It makes me wonder what they all do.
I'm so tired of seeing these comments where people assume they can accurately assess how many employees companies are supposed to have ...
Personally I read it a little differently, more along the lines of "I didn't realise Nokia was that big! Are they involved in other sectors I don't know about?"
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#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
I find people that don't read what is written a lot more tiring. Where did I assume I can accurately assess how many employees Nokia is supposed to have?
So if you can't assess - why are you suprised about this particular number?
You don't need to accurately assess it to be surprised they still have a lot of employees. They don't seem to do much anymore that is visible. Quite a long time ago they were a leading company. I have no idea what they even do anymore.
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#75I can't be the only one that's surprised that Nokia still has 86000 employees. It makes me wonder what they all do.
Where does your phone connect to?
There are only handful of mobile network infrastructure providers left in the world. Huawei 30%, Ericsson , Nokia, ZTE. Samsung replaces ZTE in base stations.
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A lot of 5G deployments shifted to Nokia after Huawei ban and Nokia also dominates a lot of GPON FTTH deployments for end to end solutions.
Not suprisingly, most people commenting in this thread have no idea about Nokia and what they are doing. They are really big and somehow succesful company, but no one can escape recession.
Agreed. I think just like everyone in this world, they hired aggressively when money and contracts were there and firing now that it's slowed down. Majority of their networking has been from Alcatel Lucent over which they built their own products but I feel good management can take them to the top. They don't make groundbreaking networking products but they do offer solutions people are willing to buy which telecom companies in North America would love to invest in if done right. It's sad they couldn't capitalise on Huawei ban that much.
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#77A year before the first iPhone was released, I told Nokia they needed to take their N700 Internet Tablet, add voice calling and text messaging, and offer it in many screen sizes like 3", 4", 5", 6", and 7". If they had followed my advice instead of laughing at me they would still be the largest cell phone maker on planet Earth.
I remember the N900, it was such a geeky device, with it's Maemo OS, it had the hallmarks of all the things possible from a small portable handheld, a la Steam Deck.
Nokia was just so pig-headed, why didn't they listen? I remember when Slashdot use to rave about the device, they could have developed a niche, people who were in the mobile app development biz were also fans of the device, they would have developed so many apps of their own volition.
Re: Nokia to axe up to 14,000 jobs to cut costs
#78A year before the first iPhone was released, I told Nokia they needed to take their N700 Internet Tablet, add voice calling and text messaging, and offer it in many screen sizes like 3", 4", 5", 6", and 7". If they had followed my advice instead of laughing at me they would still be the largest cell phone maker on planet Earth.
We used to tell on the internal shows for products to be announced, that Linux based devices like the N700 that the biggest missing feature was a radio antena, however the feedback was always that they didn't want to step into Symbian business unit.
Back on those days UNIX versus Symbian culture didn't get much along, when the board brough Elop, and what was essencially a UNIX shop working across HP-UX, Solaris, Red-Hat Linux and Symbian, most employees and developer community weren't pleased with "we go Windows now".
I was in Espoo the week following the burning platforms memo, and didn't meet anyone that agreed with it.
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#79Completely forgot that they now own Bell Labs. I wonder what Nokia have as a core revenue stream these days? They really dropped the ball when the iPhone & Android came to market (and to a lesser extent, the Blackberry). Guess they're still making a killing on telco hardware/software/infrastructure.
Although they don't make mobile phones (themselves) now, they're deeply involved in everything to do with mobile/wireless hardware and services that the phones connect to. As well as their own products probably just about every other phone manufacturer also pays to use their IP - I think Apple still pay Nokia $8 for every iPhone sold.
https://nokiamob.net/2023/07/01/apple-inc-renews-patent-lice...
> Nokia’s patent portfolio is built on more than €140 billion invested in R&D since 2000. It is composed of around 20,000 patent families, including over 5,500 patent families declared essential to 5G.
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I had no idea what they are up to these days. I own a button dumb phone by Nokia, it's fine but would not explain even 1% of that employment number. PA says they're making telecom equipment now. Fun thing it also mentions Ericsson, which used to make phones under its brand, then Sony-Ericsson smartphones (not unlike Microsoft-Nokia) and then had to drop it completely.
The Nokia of today has little (left) in common with "the Nokia of lore". Just as that had little in common with the company that used to supply the Finnish Army with Rubber boots. The Nokia-of-phones sold itself to Microsoft and was subsequently wound down. While the brand name for phones still exists, it's no longer held by the corporation now called "Nokia". That came to be, if you like to call it that, from a "rev…
Nokia Siemens Networks didn't had anything from Ericson as far I can remember.
I was there from the Nokia Networks days, through the whole NSN merge process, and finally closing down most of the German locations, moving them to Indian and Eastern Europe locations.