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Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by baz00 »

coolliquidcode wrote: post #4
baz00 wrote: post #3

They're all shit. Get a Lenovo mini PC off eBay and stick Debian on it. I replaced my shitty Pi with a Lenovo M600. If you want a dependable computer, stay away from pseudo-embedded hardware.

If you are hobbling with a PI it's all about the community support, form factor, low power and the header pins. Hopefully if you are buying a Pi you already have a specific project in mind. For example: I use a few zero 2 w's with shairport-sync to make Airplay stereos. I use the header pins to control a relay to turn on and off an audio amp. Pi 4+ would actually work a lot better for this especially when playing aud…

I wouldn't go too far down the "community support" thing with the RPi foundation. Careful if you say anything negative, even in a constructive tone, in case Liz shuts your threads down. I had some problems with brownouts on the RPi 2 and posted a technical thread. It was deleted and my account terminated. There are various reports of this from community refugees who switched to other platforms.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by globular-toast »

auspiv wrote: post #10

Geez for the prices listed in the article (153 EUR and 301 EUR), get a TMM (tiny mini micro - https://www.servethehome.com/introducing-project-tinyminimic... ) computer. These are the SFF/USFF off-lease older enterprise computers like Dell Optiplex. Note that ServeTheHome.com does power consumption for every model it reviews. These ~1L sized computers idle in the 7-13W range. Even with EU electricity prices, it would…

My router is an Optiplex fx160. Been running for years. I had to upgrade the storage and add another NIC. Has a built in power supply. I've never managed to run a Pi for this long, even with a decent power supply.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by baz00 »

synack wrote: post #34
LispSporks22 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like this idea, but what do you do for GPIO (and SPI, I2C etc.)?

Arduino or similar over USB.

This is the correct solution.

What I see a lot of is people trying to cram all sorts of shit into a Pi and expecting everything to work properly. I actually wrote a fairly small event-driven kernel for AVR parts a few years ago called XOC "exec-or-communicate" which could do small real-time tasks easily (combinational logic, state machines, interrupt handling) and delegated complicated ones to a host machine over virtual serial port. It was used for a metering system I developed. The AVR side could withstand a complete host failure and reboot.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by blacksmith_tb »

naikrovek wrote: post #42
baz00 wrote: post #3

They're all shit. Get a Lenovo mini PC off eBay and stick Debian on it. I replaced my shitty Pi with a Lenovo M600. If you want a dependable computer, stay away from pseudo-embedded hardware.

every person I know who has had problems with the Pis has had problems because they've cheaped out on either storage or power supply. the official power supplies (and others with the same ratings) are only sufficient if you don't plug anything into the USB port, don't have any hardware drawing power from the GPIO, and don't utilize Bluetooth and wifi 100% of the time at full throughput or anything. boot to a fast thu…

All solid advice, though I mostly prefer to use the Zero W-s, which need less power, and to boot off a decent sd card into the 'overlay filesystem'[1] which is RAM-only, so writing logfiles etc. doesn't wear out the sd card (I also use 'high endurance' sd cards intended for dashcams etc. which are a little slower but theoretically last longer). I have a couple of Pis that have been running for years this way, no probs.

1: https://www.raspberrypi.com/documentation/computers/configur...

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by baz00 »

zalthor wrote: post #9
baz00 wrote: post #3

They're all shit. Get a Lenovo mini PC off eBay and stick Debian on it. I replaced my shitty Pi with a Lenovo M600. If you want a dependable computer, stay away from pseudo-embedded hardware.

What’s the power consumption on that? The biggest draw for these machines (to me at least), is how they seem to run on a 5w power source.

M600 idles around 5-8 watts. If you spank it hard it gets up to 12W. That has a 500Gb SATA SSD and 8Gb of RAM and ethernet.

Note that the M600 does not have any active cooling. The entire unit is a big heatsink. The thing will run as a headless network computer with just the power supply (a proper Lenovo SMPS brick) and an ethernet port connected.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by baz00 »

naikrovek wrote: post #23
baz00 wrote: post #3

They're all shit. Get a Lenovo mini PC off eBay and stick Debian on it. I replaced my shitty Pi with a Lenovo M600. If you want a dependable computer, stay away from pseudo-embedded hardware.

do you have strong opinions on the matter? geez

It's called experience. Most of it negative.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by gigel82 »

auspiv wrote: post #10

Geez for the prices listed in the article (153 EUR and 301 EUR), get a TMM (tiny mini micro - https://www.servethehome.com/introducing-project-tinyminimic... ) computer. These are the SFF/USFF off-lease older enterprise computers like Dell Optiplex. Note that ServeTheHome.com does power consumption for every model it reviews. These ~1L sized computers idle in the 7-13W range. Even with EU electricity prices, it would…

Or you can get a brand new N100 mini pc from Amazon for And for GPIO (if really needed) you can always add something like an USB Arduino micro (clone) for a couple of bucks.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by freeopinion »

auspiv wrote: post #10

Geez for the prices listed in the article (153 EUR and 301 EUR), get a TMM (tiny mini micro - https://www.servethehome.com/introducing-project-tinyminimic... ) computer. These are the SFF/USFF off-lease older enterprise computers like Dell Optiplex. Note that ServeTheHome.com does power consumption for every model it reviews. These ~1L sized computers idle in the 7-13W range. Even with EU electricity prices, it would…

Or... brand new $189 Ryzen 7 4800H at https://store.minisforum.com/collections/amd-%C2%AE-ryzen-%C....

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by ammar2 »

dpedu wrote: post #65
ammar2 wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't need to buy the OEM power adapter for $46.99 The great thing about these Optiplexes is that they use a standard 20v 4.5x3mm DC jack for power. I run mine off a UPS with a usb-c to barrel jack cable.

No they don't. It is a barrel jack you can obtain an adapter for elsewhere, but your adapter is going to be missing the third pin. This type of system uses the 3rd line to communicate with the power supply and during startup the computer asks it how much power it is capable of supplying. If the power supply doesn't answer, it drastically throttles your CPU. Sure, you can boot the system, though it would be throwing a…

Oh huh maybe I've been running mine in the throttled mode unknowingly, thanks for the pointer.

Edit:

I ran the `cpufreq-info` command in your write-up and it gave me the correct:

> hardware limits: 800 MHz - 3.00 GHz

Maybe it's because the usb-c to barrel jack cable I picked up was marketed for dell laptops?

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