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LinkedIn laying off nearly 700, mostly from core engineering teams

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Re: LinkedIn laying off nearly 700, mostly from core engineering teams

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> “As we continue to execute on our FY24 plan, we need to also evolve how we work and what we prioritize so we can deliver on the key initiatives we’ve identified that will have an outsized impact in achieving our business goals,” LinkedIn executives Mohak Shroff and Tomer Cohen wrote in the memo. Is this standard business communication lingo for layoffs?

ChatGPT would have shown more empathy than this bland statement.

Re: LinkedIn laying off nearly 700, mostly from core engineering teams

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Damn. The market is already so tough for software engineers right now and the supply of engineers is going to increase again. I don't see how wages can drop lower than they are now. I think some engineers may have to consider a career in construction, plumbing, retail or other. Software development is just not worth the hassle and strain. Not to mention that it has become laborious, repetitive and inefficient without much autonomy in terms of choice of frameworks, tools, etc... Software development appears to have become a low-status, menial office job. Not to mention that we are now extremely replaceable; not only because of AI (which makes developers more productive) but because of standardized frameworks like React which allow juniors to churn out features fast with limited knowledge of software development; this means that seniors can often be replaced with juniors.

Maybe security will be the next big thing? All these juniors churning out code using frameworks but not understanding what's really going on under the hood might introduce more security vulnerabilities. Not to mention all the disgruntled, jobless developers who might turn to hacking to make ends meet.

I guess people who are really into software development may want to consider moving into consulting, management or teaching. I also noticed a lot of bs jobs opening up dealing with regulations and compliance.

I remember when I joined the industry in 2012, being a developer was very special; you would interact directly with the company directors, you could choose all your tools and frameworks or even build your own from scratch. You could also decide to focus on back end or front end as there was no clear separation in responsibilities. I guess that's the downside of joining an industry which essentially didn't exist 50 years ago; you never know how it's going to end up. It's not like being a lawyer or doctor which has remained high status and high pay for thousands of years.

There's a whole social architecture designed around propping up lawyers' and doctors' pay by constraining the supply of graduates and imposing artificial requirements. On the other hand, software developers tend to be extremely compliant and willing to work overtime for free, not interested to unionize, you don't even need a degree (very low bar to entry), etc... The highly compliant, overworked ones force the rest of us to match them in their degree of compliance and overwork to remain competitive. It's really a sad race to the bottom.

Re: LinkedIn laying off nearly 700, mostly from core engineering teams

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> LinkedIn is now ramping up hiring in India, according the person familiar. So, laying off people in the US and hiring in India?

If people can work effectively from home, they can work effectively from their homes in Hyderabad.

Bold of you to assume it's the same people, that will deliver the same quality of work

Re: LinkedIn laying off nearly 700, mostly from core engineering teams

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Classic "all unions are corrupt" propaganda despite the evidence that they are extremely beneficial to workers. > While your union leader does nothing while driving a luxury car "While the CEO owns a couple private jets and the company initiates another billion dollar stock buyback" I'd take my chances on getting an occasionally corrupt union (that I actually have a say in) vs 100% of companies that couldn't care les…

> the evidence that they are extremely beneficial to workers Could you please cite the evidence?

> While the CEO owns a couple private jets and the company initiates another billion dollar stock buyback Unlike the union leader, the CEO isn't working for you, so that private jet isn't coming out of your pocket, unlike the previously mentioned luxury car

Re: LinkedIn laying off nearly 700, mostly from core engineering teams

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post #57

> “As we continue to execute on our FY24 plan, we need to also evolve how we work and what we prioritize so we can deliver on the key initiatives we’ve identified that will have an outsized impact in achieving our business goals,” LinkedIn executives Mohak Shroff and Tomer Cohen wrote in the memo. Is this standard business communication lingo for layoffs?

Short answer is: in memos, yes. You will note that in the interviews, also depending on audience, the executives may be a little less corporate:

"We don't have room for bystanders, we don't have room for people who want to stand on the sidelines,"[1]

[1]https://finance.yahoo.com/news/citigroup-outlines-layoff-pro...

Re: LinkedIn laying off nearly 700, mostly from core engineering teams

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Good news for those 700: because we don't have tech worker unions, they are able to individually bargain the terms of their layoff! ...right?

A union would have done nothing other than accelerate the process. We need laws that if a job is off-shored the company is penalized heavily, where it makes it painful and unbearable.

Meddle with the free market? INCONCIEVABLE!

Re: LinkedIn laying off nearly 700, mostly from core engineering teams

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I'm willing to bet that LinkedIn's severance terms are significantly more generous that what a standard union shop can negotiate for its members.

2 months + 1 week per year at LinkedIn. Not good based on my experience with tech layoffs over the past few decades.

Compare to union shops though?

I know of some factories that shut down for annual maintenance for several months every year, and they lay everyone off. There is another factory (same company) that works opposite months of the year so in theory people are laid off and just switch between the two factories, but depending on schedule and work needs you can be out of work for a while.

I also know big projects often hire union labor (electricians, plumbers), and lay them off at the end of the project. I have no idea what the terms of this are.

Re: LinkedIn laying off nearly 700, mostly from core engineering teams

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Lmao they wont allow remote work in the west but are fine with remote work elsewhere.

Who says the overseas positions are going to be remote?

There would be communication overhead between teams. If companies are willing to take that, then they shouldn't have any argument against remote work irrespective of location and timezones.

Re: LinkedIn laying off nearly 700, mostly from core engineering teams

#80
I have said it for years.

There are too many great software engineers for bad management to use.

When product and software management works well, one side effect is the realisation that we don't need to be so many software engineers.

But that is just experience the ladt 20 years.

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