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What SWE job hunting is like right now

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Re: What SWE job hunting is like right now

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120k is bottom of the barrel wages.

Even on the enterprise dev side, I would expect at least $150K after 5-7 years for your standard full stack dev

You’d think that. But a few weeks ago I interviewed a full stack dev working for IBM who was making $110k with 8+ years experience.

I was a bit floored. I know IBM isn’t FAANG, but I was expecting them to be making a lot more based on their resume and working at a big co.

Re: What SWE job hunting is like right now

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As a hiring manager for a relatively small company, a major problem is misaligned salary expectations. Real world example: I recently interviewed an engineer hit by layoffs at Shopify/UPS. The candidate had 4 years of total work experience, and was making $175k in the role that she was let go from, and they won’t accept anything less when looking for a new role. With 4 years of total experience in the workforce. I wo…

120k is bottom of the barrel wages.

These conversations make no sense without talking about location. OP is talking about a remote (US) position. $120k is a 90th percentile salary in much of the country, and there are tons of people who would be willing to take that salary if it means not having to move to the coasts.

Re: What SWE job hunting is like right now

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post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even on the enterprise dev side, I would expect at least $150K after 5-7 years for your standard full stack dev

You’d think that. But a few weeks ago I interviewed a full stack dev working for IBM who was making $110k with 8+ years experience. I was a bit floored. I know IBM isn’t FAANG, but I was expecting them to be making a lot more based on their resume and working at a big co.

The issue is that they worked there for 8 years. You have to be an aggressive job hopper . Salary compression and inversion are real.

Re: What SWE job hunting is like right now

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As a hiring manager for a relatively small company, a major problem is misaligned salary expectations. Real world example: I recently interviewed an engineer hit by layoffs at Shopify/UPS. The candidate had 4 years of total work experience, and was making $175k in the role that she was let go from, and they won’t accept anything less when looking for a new role. With 4 years of total experience in the workforce. I wo…

That this is a remote position makes a huge difference that most people seem to be missing—by going remote you're able to draw talent that would otherwise be looking at earning a very respectable $80k from a local company. In those areas (which represent most of the US), $140k is a solidly upper-middle-class salary that enables a very comfortable lifestyle. If coastal residents won't take it, there are plenty of people in the middle of America who will.

Re: What SWE job hunting is like right now

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post #16

As a hiring manager for a relatively small company, a major problem is misaligned salary expectations. Real world example: I recently interviewed an engineer hit by layoffs at Shopify/UPS. The candidate had 4 years of total work experience, and was making $175k in the role that she was let go from, and they won’t accept anything less when looking for a new role. With 4 years of total experience in the workforce. I wo…

4 years experience at 140k is an insult IMHO. You claim you can easily find ppl w 5+ years experience, but I find that claim dubious. What you're willing to pay and what value we add seem to be vastly different.

> What you're willing to pay and what value we add seem to be vastly different

Wow…I think you have that mixed up. You have a very inflated view of the value you add at only 4 years of experience. I am nearing 4 decades in tech and I can count on one hand the number of devs (out of hundreds) have met in my career that when they were at 4 years of experience brought enough value to justify a $140k salary in 2023 dollars.

Re: What SWE job hunting is like right now

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As a hiring manager for a relatively small company, a major problem is misaligned salary expectations. Real world example: I recently interviewed an engineer hit by layoffs at Shopify/UPS. The candidate had 4 years of total work experience, and was making $175k in the role that she was let go from, and they won’t accept anything less when looking for a new role. With 4 years of total experience in the workforce. I wo…

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Re: What SWE job hunting is like right now

#79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It’s a tough pill to swallow but it is possible to get offers, but they might not be at the salary levels from 2-3 years ago. This goes both ways. People teams will prefer to pay less than they have before, and engineers should usually ask for more than they currently make. Anecdotally as a hiring manager, I would always encourage folks to have savings to cover the time it takes to avoid settling for lower salaries…

This isn’t mathematically logical. Every month that you are out of a job, you need to make 8% more once you are hired to make up the difference in loss pay. While I wouldn’t have taken just any bullshit low paying full time job after getting Amazoned (full time in the cloud consulting division), I was more than willing to take a contract job and just to keep interviewing while I’m working - especially now that jobs a…

Apologies, but can you clarify what “this” is when you say something isn’t logical? Unclear to me if you mean taking a lower paying job, choosing to stay unemployed, using savings to cover income while unemployed, something around contracting, something else perhaps.

Contracting between full time positions can certainly replace the need for savings, if that ties into what you were arguing for.

Re: What SWE job hunting is like right now

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I have been interviewing. Everyone is confused right now. Hiring companies are confused. Recruits are confused. My opinion is we are at a severe dislocation period. I have noticed massive changes in the emerging skills, tools and platforms. Pretty much no code, low code and AI. Everything else looks useless or outdated. Meanwhile, tons of startups and big tech companies are dying and laying off. The skills those peop…

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