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Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by Rebelgecko »

ncallaway wrote: post #24
karlshea wrote: post #6

This all sounds exactly like what I imagined owning a Framework running Linux would be like. I’m sure y’all are having a ball editing all of your configs and doing firmware updates in Windows, but I’ll stick to my non-repairable MacBook and keep Linux on my servers.

I’ve been running linux (Fedora) on my intel Framework laptop for a little over a year. I’ve had no issues.

Which Intel Gen? On my 12th gen the brightness keys didn't even work out of the box on Fedora (IIRC they've been working on the fix since 2022). There's also random freezes that you can only fix by tweaking some SSD boot param (but only some SSDs are impacted)

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by gabll »

SamuelAdams wrote: post #18
zackify wrote: post #2

I just got this device on Monday, been waiting for over half a year for it. I love it, but also wow, so many random things I have had to do the past few days. I think this provides a good prospective compared to all the mainstream posts about it that aren't going in depth on linux and the usability on there at this current time. Overall, I love this device!

Thanks for the article, I thought it was very helpful! You mentioned it a little bit, but is the trackpad better on wayland? How does it compare to a MBP? And finally, can you dock the framework laptop to a USB-C docking station for external monitor support? I haven’t seen a lot of reviews mention this and I’m curious what that looks like today.

I found that on Debian 12 (13th Intel Framework 13) connecting a 4K external display via HDMI is definitely more stable than USB-C. I also tried some Windows games with Steam Play and HDMI enables higher resolutions on the display (that was not the case with USB-C, I don’t know why).

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by sofixa »

bubblethink wrote: post #22
sva_ wrote: post #11

I wonder what kind of battery-life Framework users get? I've recently gotten an Elitebook 845 G10 which runs on a Ryzen 7 Pro 7840HS, and battery life was at first shit. The issue was with the BIOS being bugged and not allowing ASPM. After manually activating, I now get around 12-15 hours on a 50Wh battery, depending on use of course. Results still preliminary though, more testing needs to be done. Btw, I chose the E…

I have the 845 g9, and I'm lukewarm about it. It's more to do with AMD than HP, but HP also has a few annoyances. - No insert key - No external display before OS. Can't do luks password over external monitor. - Miscellaneous AMD bugs: vp9 hw decoding broken, s2idle sleep fails occasionally, gets stuck in lowest frequency sometimes, several others that have slowly been fixed on mainline - Battery life is pretty medioc…

> No external display before OS. Can't do luks password over external monitor.

Just a guess, but is the monitor over HDMI or USB C / Thunderbolt? If the later, there may be BIOS settings to enable it before boot is completed (IIRC on Dells it's disabled).

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by sofixa »

chx wrote: post #34
holografix wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

100% agree. At this price point who has the time to debug wifi?!

And yet every time I post running Linux on a modern laptop as a daily driver is not a good idea I get heavily downvoted.

Disagree, depending on what you mean by modern. A model that just came out that includes freshly released hardware? Unless it's a Dell Developer Edition or similar that comes with a Linux distro preinstalled and is thus tested, yeah, there might be driver issues.

Otherwise stuff just mostly works. Some due diligence ahead is a good idea to ensure there's no problematic hardware though.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by nektro »

teraflop wrote: post #32

> For modern apps not using Wayland…. full gesture support, fractional scaling, etc doesn’t work. After fixing firefox, I noticed Slack was incredibly fuzzy…. it doesn’t use Wayland. Every time I read stuff like this I feel like a bit of a outlier, because in all the years I've been using Slack, I've never used it as anything other than a web application (despite occasionally being pestered to download the Electron v…

I'm the same. I only run slack and discord in the browser

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by hypercube33 »

bubblethink wrote: post #22
sva_ wrote: post #11

I wonder what kind of battery-life Framework users get? I've recently gotten an Elitebook 845 G10 which runs on a Ryzen 7 Pro 7840HS, and battery life was at first shit. The issue was with the BIOS being bugged and not allowing ASPM. After manually activating, I now get around 12-15 hours on a 50Wh battery, depending on use of course. Results still preliminary though, more testing needs to be done. Btw, I chose the E…

I have the 845 g9, and I'm lukewarm about it. It's more to do with AMD than HP, but HP also has a few annoyances. - No insert key - No external display before OS. Can't do luks password over external monitor. - Miscellaneous AMD bugs: vp9 hw decoding broken, s2idle sleep fails occasionally, gets stuck in lowest frequency sometimes, several others that have slowly been fixed on mainline - Battery life is pretty medioc…

Most of that sounds like it's HP design / bios so it's again on HP. check for a bios update or settings for display

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by charrondev »

rwky wrote: post #29
sva_ wrote: post #11

I wonder what kind of battery-life Framework users get? I've recently gotten an Elitebook 845 G10 which runs on a Ryzen 7 Pro 7840HS, and battery life was at first shit. The issue was with the BIOS being bugged and not allowing ASPM. After manually activating, I now get around 12-15 hours on a 50Wh battery, depending on use of course. Results still preliminary though, more testing needs to be done. Btw, I chose the E…

I've got the 13th gen intel model so can't talk about amd battery life but I can get at least 4 hours out of the battery most of the time and for me that's good since I tend to be running between 1 and 4 vms constantly humming away using cpu cycles. I have played with tlp and bet if I lightened my load and capped the cpu I'd be able to get 6 to 8 hours without an issue but I bought the thing for the speed so I'll sti…

4 hours isn’t awful but still isn’t great unfortunately.

I hope to get a few more good years out my MacBook Pro (m1 Pro).

The thing is fast and I can do a full 8 hour work day with VSCode, IntelliJ, and docker running a ton of stuff:

- a couple MySQL instances - multiple elastic search and Kibana instances - Haproxy - a few Nginx + PHP containers - a node container with frontend dev build - logstash - a couple rust services

I can close the lid and come back the next day having lost essentially no battery life, and everything running just as I left it.

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