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Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest

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Re: Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest

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I should probably add in that kagi has some secret modes. If you precede the search query with `!expert` you get an LLM search response. If you precede it with `!code` you get a GPT-4-ish tuned response. It’s… really good. And since you can do it from a browser bar if you make it your default browser, I find myself reaching for !expert at least 50% as often as ChatGPT these days. Also, it’s extremely good with citati…

Neither !expert nor !code prefixes work for me.

Re: Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest

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> For example, setting Kagi as your default desktop search for Chromium, Firefox, or Safari browsers requires a browser extension and post-installation settings changes.

Can’t speak for the mac-only browser, but for the two general browsers, it’s only a post-installation setting, the extension is if you don’t want to change the setting manually (including the private browsing session URL setting) and get some extra features.

Re: Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest

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I really can't make clear enough how good Kagi is. I've tried all the competing emerging search engines as they've had their 5 minutes of fame. They don't compare to kagi. it's the first google rip and replace I've ever tried. Pony up the $10 a month and put your money where your mouth is on "let's pay for products instead of being sold to advertisers."

Narrator: They won't.

I upgraded my subscription a few weeks ago because I blew past the first tier's limits. Kagi kinda fills the Neeva-sized hole in my heart.

Re: Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest

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post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you could provide screen shots or a writeup of HOW they are better that would be helpful. Kogi fans just seems to say its better without really any examples. Not saying its not better, but no one has really shown how it is better.

Search isn’t really something I can show you one result to say it’s better. I just use it for a week and feel the difference. Magi has a free trial of 100 searches. Sign up and try it. I did, and when I ran out of my 100 searches, I went and got my credit card and paid $5/month. When I tried DDG, I ended up back at Google within a week. I can’t actually explain how it’s better, other than to encourage you to try it a…

> When I tried DDG, I ended up back at Google within a week.

I think actually you might have explained it. It's for people who don't want to use Google, but who didn't like DDG.

This is why I ask for more examples to be provided from Kagi because they claim DDG isn't good, just good enough, where as I've been quite happy with DDG results for years now.

Re: Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest

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post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you could provide screen shots or a writeup of HOW they are better that would be helpful. Kogi fans just seems to say its better without really any examples. Not saying its not better, but no one has really shown how it is better.

The article addresses a huge aspect: It's customizable. I frequently know I'm looking for say, a learn.microsoft.com page. So if I boost that domain, and one of the results is on that site, it moves towards the top of the page. My results are explicitly better for me because I am able to tell the search engine what I want to see.

In most search engines, including Google and DDG, you could input,

   site:learn.microsoft.com
It restricts results to that domain.

Re: Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest

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post #27

I should probably add in that kagi has some secret modes. If you precede the search query with `!expert` you get an LLM search response. If you precede it with `!code` you get a GPT-4-ish tuned response. It’s… really good. And since you can do it from a browser bar if you make it your default browser, I find myself reaching for !expert at least 50% as often as ChatGPT these days. Also, it’s extremely good with citati…

You can also modify the bangs to your liking. I never use podcasts, and so having !p bound to podcast search was useless to me. Opened up the lenses config, and set the programming lens to !p.

Re: Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest

#77

I am quite interested by Kagi's model, and would like to try it. One issue is that I do find it a little pricey (it's roughly £110/yr just for web search). This seems like a shame. I'd love to understand more re: how they come up with those prices in the first place, if any information is available. It would also be interesting to explore how many of the people praising it here and elsewhere are paying customers.

You're paying Kagi for privacy.

What is their privacy policy?

Re: Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest

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Looking forward to the inevitable "Kagi sells user data" investigative report. The simple truth is that unless they make themselves explicitly liable to users if they are ever caught doing this, that the irresistable urge to monetize user data will tempt even the most well-meaning firm into sin. The ONLY solution is to make 'sinning' an existential threat to the firm. IANAL but I believe this can be done if ownership…

> The ONLY solution is to make 'sinning' an existential threat to the firm. Since the userbase consists largely of people who pay them to not act like google, at least for now, it likely would be an existential threat to the firm. They couldn't get much worse in that regard than big free services, so I'll cross that bridge when I come to it. In the interim, I'm putting my money where my mouth is and paying out of poc…

Well the other risk you have trusting all your personal data to some organization is the longevity of said organization. Your data may be protected as long as their business model aligns with that but it's never guaranteed to stay that way.

One of the best historic examples is MySpace. MySpace started out fine and slowly as it declined and eventually dwindled to nothing, it started selling off massive amounts of previous user data. With no future or user base to speak of, there was a lot more potential benefit selling the data than the cost of protecting/holding it.

Re: Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest

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post #33

I really wanted to like Kagi, and admittedly my experimentation did not last long, but contrary to the experience of other commenters, I found Kagi search results to be significantly worse than Google. Maybe it was just the specific subjects I was searching. The final straw for me was when I searched for air quality in my city, and the Kagi results were a total joke, mostly irrelevant. I would have been happy to pay…

Hm.. I just tried that search for my town and the first result was correct. Wonder what happened.

It's not necessarily about the top result. It's about the top 20-30 results.
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