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Re: Disney's Loki faces backlash over reported use of generative AI

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Post by jncfhnb » Tue, Oct 10, 2023, 1:29 AM UTC

zzzeek wrote: post #70

jncfhnb wrote: post #60

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As a data scientist, no, I think that’s a dumb take. Without bothering to debate the definition of “AI”, One is a synthesis of general knowledge that can be used to generate new ideas. The other is a multi arm bandit and some collaborative filtering. Maybe there’s some AI there to classify what things are to begin with, but the decision of what to show is a very different kind of thing.

I don't want to use the term "dumb" for your take since I don't really address people that way but it does not matter if threads shows me ten AI landscapes or 100, the point is that once images displaying what would take a human dozens of hours of technical skill to produce are easily churned out by the thousands each hour, the entire value of such art for human enjoyment drops to zero as it's no longer special or in…

Then don’t look at a hundred landscapes.

You made an argument that threads was showing people a hundred landscapes and that this decision was also ai ergo it’s an AI problem.

It might take humans a dozen hours to make a landscape but there are still thousands of human drawn landscapes and you’ll grow equally bored looking at all of those, no AI required.

Re: Disney's Loki faces backlash over reported use of generative AI

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Post by benterix » Tue, Oct 10, 2023, 7:31 AM UTC

jncfhnb wrote: post #36

benterix wrote: post #12

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After a brief period of fascination, it's become a synonym of low quality and low effort. See e.g. the relevant KitKat campaign: https://www.creativebloq.com/news/kit-kat-ai-ad

I’m sure many folks will take that smug sense of superiority all the way down the unemployment line while high effort, hardworking artists that leverage AI to make high quality works.

Yes and no. Let's take the closest analogy we have now, i.e. analog vs digital. The digital art technologies (photography, painting, music etc.) are much more common today than their analog ancestors. Yet, there is a part of the market that really appreciates the analog experience - they will buy vinyls and so on. My friends publishing house is commissioning only analog images for the cover. Another friend is a photographer and he is selling mostly analog photographs. So yes, you are right, but it's not really the sense of superiority, it's different things for different customers.

Re: Disney's Loki faces backlash over reported use of generative AI

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Post by ghusto » Thu, Oct 12, 2023, 11:43 AM UTC

MrPatan wrote: post #56

ghusto wrote: post #45

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The problem is that there's the presumption that "the market"'s choice is what we want. "The market" has decided on what gets pushed to the top of your social media feed, and that is by all accounts turned out to be terrible for humanity. Idiocracy is what happens when we tailor to the lowest common denominator. "The market" will decide on the cheapest and easiest, not what's in your best interest.

The actual market's choice is hard to fake. It's people voting with their dollars. Don't like it, don't watch it. Don't care, watch it. Disney are not the market, and neither are they "the market". They are indeed betting on lots of people not caring about AI one way or another, so that they can save some money. Good for them.

> The actual market's choice is hard to fake. It's people voting with their dollars

I'm not saying it's being faked, I'm saying it's wrong to allow it when it goes against the best interest of the many, or worse, us as humanity as a whole.

People vote with their dollars by buying cheap crap to eat every day, and manufacturers save a ton of money pumping that crap out instead of nutritious food. That doesn't mean it's good or should be encouraged, or even tolerated.

The market is not god.