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Re: Kentucky made child care free for child care workers

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Post by Ericson2314 » Fri, Oct 06, 2023, 5:33 PM UTC

Racing0461 wrote: post #51

Ericson2314 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If this gets us further from a land value tax, it is bad. Simple as. 100% this is disguised handout for home schooling right wing nuts. Property tax is not a significant burden for regular childcare outfits. "Cash poor asset rich" is not a real problem and anyone telling you otherwise it out to swindle you.

> home schooling right wing nuts The government needs to compete for their tax base more. make public school worth it and these folks won't keep pulling their kids out to where the system falls apart like public transportation where only drug addicts/homeless take it.

The only way to make public schools good is to to force them to be (*-)integrated so wealthy parents put the proper pressure on the state. (Karening for good)

The "buy in to the school district" school apartheid-lite we have in the United States is disgusting failing race to the bottom.

Re: Kentucky made child care free for child care workers

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Post by bryanlarsen » Fri, Oct 06, 2023, 5:34 PM UTC

pj_mukh wrote: post #61

beerdoggie wrote: post #48

The argument no one has brought up yet: why should society have to pay up even more for breeders' personal choices? People without kids have to pay higher taxes (via rebates for parents), utilize less resources (public schools), effectively subsidizing people who want to have kids. I'm all for protecting what's best for children, but I am not happy with people having children they cannot adequately support, causing o…

Sure let’s do that. But as part of the deal let’s make sure $0 off of the economic output of the offspring of “breeders” goes to your Medicare or social security. Deal?

You have to also include massive inflation during their retirement years too. If there are very few workers available the cost of everything is going to skyrocket.

Re: Kentucky made child care free for child care workers

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Post by polpenn » Fri, Oct 06, 2023, 5:34 PM UTC

beerdoggie wrote: post #48

The argument no one has brought up yet: why should society have to pay up even more for breeders' personal choices? People without kids have to pay higher taxes (via rebates for parents), utilize less resources (public schools), effectively subsidizing people who want to have kids. I'm all for protecting what's best for children, but I am not happy with people having children they cannot adequately support, causing o…

Why should people who don’t own cars pay for highways?

Why should cyclist have to pay for public transportation?

Also children now will be your future doctor, nurse, bus driver, scientist, plumber, etc. so probably worthwhile making an investment in public goods that support their development.

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Post by YesThatTom2 » Fri, Oct 06, 2023, 5:35 PM UTC

PH95VuimJjqBqy wrote: post #49

steven-xu wrote: post #9

Setting aside the philosophical free market questions, additional government subsidy childcare seems fine. There’s a positive externality of readily available childcare: one adult to many children is more efficient than home care, and parents being able to work generates economic production, taxes, etc. But couldn’t we come up with a subsidy with less market distortion? A specific subsidy to pay for childcare for chi…

You know you've lost the plot when even child care is looked at through the lense of capitalistic markets. Maybe fuck the markets and lets do what is best for the children and the parents. Or is that a radical idea nowadays?

Agreed!

I’ve noticed there are two kinds of policy advocates.

Agenda advocates: no matter the problem, they push their agenda. Anti tax people are in this category. Down economy? “Lower taxes!” They shout. Up exonomy? “Lower taxes to keep the momentum!”

Issue advocate: these people are creative and will propose the best solution given the day’s issue. The solutions they propose change over the years because conditions change and new solutions appear.

The comment you rape replying to is from the former. The world needs more of the latter.

Re: Kentucky made child care free for child care workers

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Post by lancesells » Fri, Oct 06, 2023, 5:35 PM UTC

beerdoggie wrote: post #48

The argument no one has brought up yet: why should society have to pay up even more for breeders' personal choices? People without kids have to pay higher taxes (via rebates for parents), utilize less resources (public schools), effectively subsidizing people who want to have kids. I'm all for protecting what's best for children, but I am not happy with people having children they cannot adequately support, causing o…

You know your parents were "breeders" right?

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Post by rpcope1 » Fri, Oct 06, 2023, 5:36 PM UTC

Ericson2314 wrote: post #41

mbiondi wrote: post #34

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I've nothing against women in the workplace, but I do think it sucks that in most families both parents are forced to work in order to make ends meet. Universal childcare is the worst of both worlds - you miss out on all those special moments when your children are young and your kids get to be raised by a stranger. Plus the public gets to foot the bill. I guess it works if you don't want those experiences and are ha…

The goal is both parents work, but work only part time. And we get there via better childcare.

Why is that the goal? Who decided that it is an appropriate goal? This whole argument is silly for a lot of reasons, but honestly it's a bait and switch amongst other things: "Oh we'll eventually get to reduced hours, you just need to both start working now and let someone else raise and watch your children." Sounds like a scam to me.

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Post by true_religion » Fri, Oct 06, 2023, 5:36 PM UTC

ourmandave wrote: post #64

beerdoggie wrote: post #48

The argument no one has brought up yet: why should society have to pay up even more for breeders' personal choices? People without kids have to pay higher taxes (via rebates for parents), utilize less resources (public schools), effectively subsidizing people who want to have kids. I'm all for protecting what's best for children, but I am not happy with people having children they cannot adequately support, causing o…

Seems if the state is going to mandate 10-year-old rape victims have children, then they should provide some sort of childcare system too.

Does the state force people to maintain their children?

I believe you can always give your children up for adoption so long as all guardians agree to it.

It's not commonly desirable but it's what one would recommend for extreme circumstances like you stated.

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Post by xboxnolifes » Fri, Oct 06, 2023, 5:37 PM UTC

beerdoggie wrote: post #48

The argument no one has brought up yet: why should society have to pay up even more for breeders' personal choices? People without kids have to pay higher taxes (via rebates for parents), utilize less resources (public schools), effectively subsidizing people who want to have kids. I'm all for protecting what's best for children, but I am not happy with people having children they cannot adequately support, causing o…

> The argument no one has brought up yet: why should society have to pay up even more for breeders' personal choices?

Because "breeders" are the foundation of society. The most fundamental part of an on-going society.

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Post by JumpCrisscross » Fri, Oct 06, 2023, 5:37 PM UTC

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #35

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #27

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> Won't that only help the landlords? No, estimating tax burdens is more complicated than where it first falls. Depending on how competitive the retail real estate market is in an area, you would expect to find landlords competing for childcare tenants to varying degrees.

So there's a lot of factors that may or may not help encourage childcare facilities. To me it smells of trickle-down for commercial locations.

> there's a lot of factors that may or may not help encourage childcare facilities

This is always true. Even if you give a cash bonus to the childcare facilities, it may only help management, or may only help customers if it results in facilities competing by offering sign-up bonuses and lower prices, or it might circle back to landlords through increased rents if the supply of childcare-compatible real estate is constrained.

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Post by isykt » Fri, Oct 06, 2023, 5:38 PM UTC

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #11

isykt wrote: post #8

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> rich get handouts in Kentucky On what planet are child-care workers the rich?

The key phrase here is “regardless of household income.” There’s a very simple way to make sure rich people don’t get free shit, and that’s capping stuff like this so that rich people don’t get to take advantage of it.

I’ll give you an example: there is no universe in which I personally ought to have had my student loans forgiven. My household income tipped into the seven figures during the pandemic. But some debt forgiveness advocates insisted on cancelling “all student debt, no exceptions.” Absolutely not!