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The Ashley Book of Knots (1944)

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Re: The Ashley Book of Knots (1944)

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Know knots or tie lots! Knowing a few different knots for a variety of situations comes in handy. The right knot holds properly and can usually be undone when needed without having to cut it out. If you're starting out then the square knot, two half hitches, taught line hitch, clove hitch, and bowline cover most use cases. And, yes, those are among the basic ones taught to Scouts.

My personal list is the uni-knot, sheet bend(Along with the slipped and double versions), tautline hitch, alpine butterfly loop, highwayman's hitch, and clove hitch. And of course the double slipped square knot. I always have trouble with it, the right over left and left over right steps slow me down trying to make sure I don't accidentally tie a granny. But once it's done it's really obvious to anyone how to untie i…

> the clove hitch is not the greatest though, so I'm never sure what to do

The rolling hitch [1] is a slight variation that works great as a drop-in replacement. For attaching a rope to a pole, I go as far down this list as is feasible and/or necessary:

- two half hitches [2] (this is actually just a clove-hitch around the standing end)

- round turn and two half hitches [3] (like the above, but a little more secure and it takes the load while you tie it)

- anchor hitch [4] (even more secure, but harder to tie under load)

[1]: https://www.animatedknots.com/rolling-hitch-knot

[2]: https://www.animatedknots.com/two-half-hitches-knot

[3]: https://www.animatedknots.com/round-turn-two-half-hitches-kn...

[4]: https://www.animatedknots.com/anchor-hitch-knot

Re: The Ashley Book of Knots (1944)

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The Klutz Book of Knots was one of my favorites as a kid, and cited Ashley throughout. Here's what it had to say about the square knot: "But Which Knot Is Really The Best Knot? A true landlubber's question, but one that is inevitably raised. The correct answer should be the responsible—albeit boring—"It depends." Are you knotting together sheets for an open-air exit from a burning hotel? Or are you tying up your hair…

I have heard that the clove hitch isn't very good, either. That it easily comes undone with wiggling

See my other comment on this post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37685921

Re: The Ashley Book of Knots (1944)

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Knot theory in topology is super interesting and have very practical applications in the real world (protein folding, chemical structures, etc). Fun fact: Conway was involved in tabulating 11-crossing prime knots.

I found this veritasium video helpful: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DBhTXM_Br4&pp=ygULa25vdCB0a...

Re: The Ashley Book of Knots (1944)

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My personal list is the uni-knot, sheet bend(Along with the slipped and double versions), tautline hitch, alpine butterfly loop, highwayman's hitch, and clove hitch. And of course the double slipped square knot. I always have trouble with it, the right over left and left over right steps slow me down trying to make sure I don't accidentally tie a granny. But once it's done it's really obvious to anyone how to untie i…

> the clove hitch is not the greatest though, so I'm never sure what to do The rolling hitch [1] is a slight variation that works great as a drop-in replacement. For attaching a rope to a pole, I go as far down this list as is feasible and/or necessary: - two half hitches [2] (this is actually just a clove-hitch around the standing end) - round turn and two half hitches [3] (like the above, but a little more secure a…

Thanks, that's really neat!

Round turn and two half hitches is really interesting because you don't have to relearn anything.

It seems to be "nooslike" similar to the uni-knot, which makes me wonder if just a slipped uni-knot (Maybe with a round turn?) Could also work?

Re: The Ashley Book of Knots (1944)

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I think this might be my favorite kind of nonfiction book. Truly the Bible of knots. For years I have looked for a list of "Bibles" of their respective subjects, but have never found anything quite right. Chapman's Piloting & Seamanship is another example that comes to mind.

Maybe you can start that list, on GitHub or something like that, so people can contribute.

Re: The Ashley Book of Knots (1944)

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post #31

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> a great stopper knot (Oysterman’s Stopper Knot) Also known as the Ashley stopper knot! I've started keeping a short length of paracord on my desk to practice knots during video calls. It makes a great fidget toy. The Ashley stopper is what I've been tying this week and it's such a gem (but a little harder to untie than I'd like). ABOK is the classic. But I was surprised to learn recently that it's not the final wor…

> I've started keeping a short length of paracord on my desk to practice knots during video calls. It makes a great fidget toy. This is literally what I started doing like 6 months ago, and I went from knowing only how to tie my shoes to having a great repertoire of knots. It’s great to have a couple hanks of paracord in the car now to tie stuff down, and more versatile (and safer) than the bungee straps.

see also rok straps (https://rokstraps.com/pages/rok-moto) and ratchet straps, though neither are fun enough to involve knots.

Re: The Ashley Book of Knots (1944)

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My personal list is the uni-knot, sheet bend(Along with the slipped and double versions), tautline hitch, alpine butterfly loop, highwayman's hitch, and clove hitch. And of course the double slipped square knot. I always have trouble with it, the right over left and left over right steps slow me down trying to make sure I don't accidentally tie a granny. But once it's done it's really obvious to anyone how to untie i…

> the clove hitch is not the greatest though, so I'm never sure what to do The rolling hitch [1] is a slight variation that works great as a drop-in replacement. For attaching a rope to a pole, I go as far down this list as is feasible and/or necessary: - two half hitches [2] (this is actually just a clove-hitch around the standing end) - round turn and two half hitches [3] (like the above, but a little more secure a…

My go to is the 'midshipmans hitch' with an extra half-turn at the end, dead easy and secure whenever I've used it https://www.animatedknots.com/midshipmans-hitch-knot

Re: The Ashley Book of Knots (1944)

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Right, but this isn't a what question, it's a when to do what question. I might know a knot, but I don't know when to use that knot and when it ought to be avoided. That's what I am getting at. Even under the "bend" page in Wikipedia, sometimes the knots are merely described.

Be the change you want to see in the world ;-) I think a flow chart of when to use a knot is a great idea! Please make it!

I would first have to know what I was doing. Which I do not.

I might be able to make the flowchart if I understood knots; I might be able to understand knots if I had a flowchart. If we had ham, we could make ham and eggs, if we had eggs.

Re: The Ashley Book of Knots (1944)

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post #29

The Marlinspike hitch is my favorite :) If you stick anything functioning as a marlinspike in there (stick, screwdriver, etc.), you get a great handle for pulling in tension. If you put a hook in there, you have a hitch onto the hook that can be released by slipping it off (and the whole knot collapses in on itself). If you stick the tag end one way instead, you end up with a great stopper knot (Oysterman’s Stopper K…

Looking at it today and I just realized it's a slipknot with some jammed in it to keep it from slipping. Kinda blew my mind there.

Re: The Ashley Book of Knots (1944)

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ABOK is wonderful. I have my grandfather’s copy, which is somewhat in need of a rebinding but otherwise in good shape. https://www.animatedknots.com offers an app with some animations of knots that cites ABOK numbers and page numbers, and i have that installed on my phone.

> in need of a rebinding

Rebinding this particular book reminded me of an old coworker at Scout camp who did something neat where he completely unbound it, laminated each page, and then stuck it all in a 3-ring binder. It made it so the book would lie flat on any page, which is nice when you need both hands to practice a knot, and also protected it from messy 11 year olds. (He had another copy which he kept in pristine condition, as well.)

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