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Re: macOS Sonoma is available today
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, there are some third party addons, but the built in window management is appallingly primitive. It’s just bad.
Isn't that basically why you get Apple stuff in the first place, to have primitive but well-working things? They're not exactly famous for catering to professionals or people who want a customized experience.
No that is not "basically why you get Apple stuff in the first place". I have never in my life seen either Apple or its fan base market their products this way. That is a post hoc rationalisation for their operating system missing quite a basic feature.
Re: macOS Sonoma is available today
#73I still don't understand why Apple is so bent on coupling application updates together with OS updates. I just want the new changes to Safari and Notes while I don't care about the other changes, why not have Safari be a normal application downloaded from the App Store, like the rest of us pleebs have to do when publishing apps?
Most of the new app features are tied to OS-wide and OS-APIs wide capabilities, so they can't release "just Notes" without the OS-level frameworks that support those features. Take for example the PDF editing/support in Notes now. Or the Pages compatibility. Or Note widgets for the desktop, etc. Similar case for Safari, as they offer the webkit widget and JSCore as an OS-level APIs too. Plus of course everything is t…
I give you that some of the new features are tied to OS-wide updates, but many of them seems they're not. And if they wanted to, they could still decouple apps from OS updates and if you're on a old OS version and the new app update requires a newer OS, just block that specific update from happening.
> Plus of course everything is tested together
That makes sense, Apple's QA department seems to be held together with tape for the last decade or so, as every new update seems to break something, so maybe they're trying to make it as easy as possible now in order to recover.
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#74FINALLY we've come full circle and can have widgets on the desktop again! It's not like a revolutionary killer feature for me, but I just always preferred having information always in my "peripheral" instead of having to actively check a separate menu.
It failed before because system resources and horsepower were too low to make it work smoothly (&, let's be honest, because there were often poor UI choices going hand-in-hand with poor speed/smoothness). Plenty of ideas resurface, not because they were bad & people think they just might work, but because they weren't practical when they came up. There are plenty of faded-away applications & forgotten old OSes with ideas way ahead of the curve, needed speed and/or memory, & were laughed at & called stupid because of system limitations that will show up again in our systems, someday.
Re: macOS Sonoma is available today
#75I still don't understand why Apple is so bent on coupling application updates together with OS updates. I just want the new changes to Safari and Notes while I don't care about the other changes, why not have Safari be a normal application downloaded from the App Store, like the rest of us pleebs have to do when publishing apps?
I have a company-provided mac, I don't have an App Store account as it requires a phone number (and I'm not going to use my personal phone number to register it, it is not even allowed by policy) so I'm not going to update any app via the store
Re: macOS Sonoma is available today
#76Please, for the love of god, add native window snapping.
> Please, for the love of god, add native window snapping.
macOS has had built-in “window snapping” since 2015. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204948
And if/when you need more advanced window management, there’s a plethora of free and paid options.
Re: macOS Sonoma is available today
#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
This method reduces testing burden by eliminating the combination of an old OS with new app. They might also see it as an incentive - perhaps new app features act as driver for OS adoption.
On the flip side, zero-day WebKit security vulnerabilities require a full OS update to patch Safari. From a security perspective decoupling from OS updates seems advantageous.
RSRs [1] are sort of not this though. They’re still a bit weird, but can contain updates for WebKit and/or Safari in a very small update that installs very quickly. Also worth noting that WebKit is buried pretty deep in macOS (as it underpins a lot more than just Safari) so isn’t as easy to patch by itself.
[1] https://support.apple.com/en-mk/guide/deployment/dep93ff7ea7...
Re: macOS Sonoma is available today
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
I use the open source system tray app Rectangle for this.
Is it like Grid or whatever?
It supports halves (horizontal/vertical), thirds (vertical), quarters (vertical or 2x2), and sixths (3x2), plus some variations (move to edge, "almost maximize", bigger, smaller, etc). Also supports variations on those, eg. "middle two quarters" or "right two thirds" if that's your thing.
I have an ultrawide external display, and keyboard shortcuts to quickly tile two or three windows at once is where it's at, though it also supports dragging the window to an edge for various snap effects.
Re: macOS Sonoma is available today
#79Please, for the love of god, add native window snapping.
I use sizeup. Small price to pay for great keyboard shortcuts to manage windows. https://www.irradiatedsoftware.com/sizeup/
after spending the last 2 months on desktop linux full time - I'd rather pay $12 and use macos than pay nothing and have a worse open source experience.
Re: macOS Sonoma is available today
#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
Isn't that basically why you get Apple stuff in the first place, to have primitive but well-working things? They're not exactly famous for catering to professionals or people who want a customized experience.
No that is not "basically why you get Apple stuff in the first place". I have never in my life seen either Apple or its fan base market their products this way. That is a post hoc rationalisation for their operating system missing quite a basic feature.
Really? "It just works" isn't something you've ever heard from someone who uses Apple products? Or "I might not be able to change X, but at least I know what's there works well"?