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Common infections can spark psychiatric illnesses in children

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Re: Common infections can spark psychiatric illnesses in children

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Government and Corporations have been leading to a lot of these health issues for decades, including diabetes and obesity in children, ADHD from being locked in a prison-like school environment, and more. Incidentally, diabetes and obesity are major factors for morbidity in coronavirus infections.

But also the for-profit industry finds it a lot more attractive to medicate kids downstream (eg prescribing Amphetamines for ADHD) and overdiagnose everything from Autism to ADHD to Gender Dysphoria. This is a band-aid approach, because it’s harder and less profitable to change society than it is to medicate everyone.

Hollywood definitely played a role in changing culture and people’s behaviors (including Westerns glamorizing gunfighters, PR campaigns getting women to smoke, product placements, etc)

But the industries actually start earlier than that. Merchandising selling stuff to kids. Broadcasting ideas — kids love to pick up on what their peers are watching, not their parents.

This PBS documentary goes intk detail:

https://www.pbs.org/video/frontline-merchants-cool/

There are record levels of depression, sadness and suicidal ideation among teens, especially teen girls. Whether it’s Hip-Hop or Tik-Tok, the negative externalities from the centralized, for-profit industries disseminating youth culture pile up and our communities should at least request the CDC to investigate further:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/teen-girls-experiencing-record-...

They do this with adults too — one in five middle aged women is on antidepressants. And let’s not even get started on the opioid crisis. More people than ever are angry at “the other party” in many countries, it is not an accident.

But they don’t focus on culture and society and for-profit industries. They only focus on diffuse causes like a virus that’s going around, or “random infections”.

State and Federal governments collude with industry to keep us distracted. Whether it’s the fructose sugar they genetically engineer into the fruits, or the high-fructose corn syrup they put into everything, or water use, or the non-biodegradeable plastics, or the factory farms and overuse of antibiotics — in nearly every case the government sides with the corporations — eg governments in agricultural US states criminalizing the filming and exposing of animal cruelty, since their tax revenue comes from these corporations — or enforcing patents for Monsanto and Big Pharma etc. etc. and letting the lobbyists write Medicare Part D to make sure Medicare won’t negotiate drug prices etc.

What they do is they always tell us that we can do something as individuals (recycle, diet and exercise, go vegan etc) or lead to polarized narratives like Women (feminism) vs Men (redpill) White vs Black, so we’d be too divided and blaming each other instead of demanding systemic reforms to impose a cost on our corporations getting away with the negative externalities:

https://magarshak.com/blog/?p=362

I strongly believe that if we had a UBI in this country, funded by these pigovian taxes imposing costs, we’d have a population that organically would start to push industry towards healthier practices for everyone and the planet. Because the public would directly get the windfall of these tax revenues.

Re: Common infections can spark psychiatric illnesses in children

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> Dr Pittenger says it is now clear that covid-19 infections can trigger psychosis, fatigue and other neuro-psychiatric symptoms. A misbehaving immune system is thought to be the culprit. The idea that schizophrenia may, at least sometimes, likewise be an auto-immune disorder is also under investigation. Until I got long covid(generally recovered now after 2 years), I couldn't comprehend this idea. I felt like I was…

Nerd-sniped: Free will is an incoherent idea. We don't choose our preferences, which dictate our choices. (And even supposing you can choose a preference, that's only due to the preexisting desire to have such a preference. Turtles all the way down.) What would an unconstrained choice even be? Just random, arbitrary? That doesn't sound "free" either.

> We don't choose our preferences

As a doxastic voluntarist, I reject this notion entirely.

Re: Common infections can spark psychiatric illnesses in children

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> remember reading awhile back about a study that showed people with the flu are generally more social while the virus is spreading. Am I an idiot or is this clearly non-causal?

does seem weird as the flu usually makes me sore and not want to move at all.

You're probably contagious before symptom onset.

Re: Common infections can spark psychiatric illnesses in children

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For any parents reading this and wondering if their kid is affected, I highly recommend reading up on PANS and PANDAS.

Watching our happy, healthy kid change before our eyes with sudden-onset OCD, vocal and motor tics, terrible mood lability and sleep issues, and other strange symptoms like handwriting regression was heartbreaking.

His doctor suggested it was Tourette’s and I happened to notice that his symptoms included a dry vocal “cough” and insisted on him being tested for strep, which he had. We got the antibiotic and it went away. That cycle happened 2 times until the 3rd time, the symptoms persisted and he no longer had strep. That lead me to discover PANDAS and we then began getting him treated for that.

If you’ve noticed similar changes in your kids, definitely read up on it and find a doctor who understands the link and is willing to explore treatment options with you.

Re: Common infections can spark psychiatric illnesses in children

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> Dr Pittenger says it is now clear that covid-19 infections can trigger psychosis, fatigue and other neuro-psychiatric symptoms. A misbehaving immune system is thought to be the culprit. The idea that schizophrenia may, at least sometimes, likewise be an auto-immune disorder is also under investigation. Until I got long covid(generally recovered now after 2 years), I couldn't comprehend this idea. I felt like I was…

Nerd-sniped: Free will is an incoherent idea. We don't choose our preferences, which dictate our choices. (And even supposing you can choose a preference, that's only due to the preexisting desire to have such a preference. Turtles all the way down.) What would an unconstrained choice even be? Just random, arbitrary? That doesn't sound "free" either.

Ancient religion and philosophy taught that habits influence desires far more strongly than desires influence habits.

It is possible to want different desires (if you disagree, ask any recovering drug addict). So even conflicting desires can exist simultaneously on multiple planes of consciousness.

A powerful way to change your desires to be what you want them to be is to change your habits.

Re: Common infections can spark psychiatric illnesses in children

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post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the idea that a virus can change the behavior of the host to make it more likely to spread is one of those things that's beyond creepy. lots of scifi based on this, and the ones that are more subtle are much more effective than getting bit by a zombie trope.

I mean this is something well proven in parasitic infections. For example snails that climb to the top of plants to be eaten by birds when they are infected. Also rats that are infected that go hang about places where cats have peed so they get ate spreading the infection to cats.

what makes you think that this is something I doubt? I can accept it happens and still be creeped out by it all the same.

Re: Common infections can spark psychiatric illnesses in children

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post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It makes you honestly question the idea of freewill. Not eating and getting low blood sugar can much more simply answer the question of "Do I have free will, or am I a subject of my internal chemical reactions". Or, much more simply stated "You're not you when you are hungry".

> Not eating and getting low blood sugar can much more simply answer the question of "Do I have free will, or am I a subject of my internal chemical reactions". You cannot control what you feel, but you can control your actions.

> You cannot control what you feel, but you can control your actions.

I'll respond in a way that I hope is clear and relatively objective. This will take the form of an "if-then" claim nested within another "if-then" claim.

IF a person

  (1) accepts philosophical materialism, but
  (2) remains agnostic as to quantum effects at macro scale
THEN then the following response follows logically:

It depends what you mean by "you". If you (a) mean that "you" consists of the body, including the brain; and (b) you recognize there is a physiological difference between _non-volitional_ and _volitional_ choices; then (c) yes, loosely speaking, "you" can control your volitional actions.

If you think carefully, you will recognize the above assumptions also mean:

- a person's surrounding context plays an essential role in shaping the kinds of actions that are available.

- there are no causes other than material ones (such as a soul)

You may notice I didn't use the phrase "free will" above. That is very much intentional. Even if you are a philosopher, that word is nearly impossible to use in a way with a definition that a group of people can agree on.

See also: "Volition and Action in the Human Brain: Processes, Pathologies, and Reasons" by Itzhak Fried, Patrick Haggard, ... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5678016/

Re: Common infections can spark psychiatric illnesses in children

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post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It makes you honestly question the idea of freewill. Not eating and getting low blood sugar can much more simply answer the question of "Do I have free will, or am I a subject of my internal chemical reactions". Or, much more simply stated "You're not you when you are hungry".

> Not eating and getting low blood sugar can much more simply answer the question of "Do I have free will, or am I a subject of my internal chemical reactions". You cannot control what you feel, but you can control your actions.

Can you?

I'm a type 1 diabetic, I have a continuous monitor that tells me what my glucose level is. This monitors actual interstitial fluid level and not blood sugar, this means there can be a pretty large delay between what's measured just under the skin versus what my blood stream is experiencing. If a rapid drop occurs there can be a lead time that I'm unaware of it, but others are because I'll behave in a 'cranky' or 'sharp' tone. I'm not aware this is occurring when it does. A little sugar and a few minutes and I'm back to regular me again.

You are in far less control of your actions then you believe. Internal self awareness is a poor mirror of reality.

Re: Common infections can spark psychiatric illnesses in children

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For any parents reading this and wondering if their kid is affected, I highly recommend reading up on PANS and PANDAS. Watching our happy, healthy kid change before our eyes with sudden-onset OCD, vocal and motor tics, terrible mood lability and sleep issues, and other strange symptoms like handwriting regression was heartbreaking. His doctor suggested it was Tourette’s and I happened to notice that his symptoms incl…

I realized I didn’t finish the story on this comment.

5 years later, our son’s recovery is a daily miracle. He’s a happy, healthy 13 year old with only a shadow of his former symptoms.

We were able to achieve symptom reduction through long course antibiotics, inflammation reduction supplements and medications (Tylenol and steroid bursts), and eventually having his tonsil’s out. After that we would have done IVIG if needed.

We maintain some inflammation reduction supplements but he’s off the rest of the meds and doing really remarkably, knock on wood. If you’re going through this with your kid, I send you all the love in the world, and hope that you’re able to relieve their symptoms as well.

Re: Common infections can spark psychiatric illnesses in children

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For any parents reading this and wondering if their kid is affected, I highly recommend reading up on PANS and PANDAS. Watching our happy, healthy kid change before our eyes with sudden-onset OCD, vocal and motor tics, terrible mood lability and sleep issues, and other strange symptoms like handwriting regression was heartbreaking. His doctor suggested it was Tourette’s and I happened to notice that his symptoms incl…

I realized I didn’t finish the story on this comment. 5 years later, our son’s recovery is a daily miracle. He’s a happy, healthy 13 year old with only a shadow of his former symptoms. We were able to achieve symptom reduction through long course antibiotics, inflammation reduction supplements and medications (Tylenol and steroid bursts), and eventually having his tonsil’s out. After that we would have done IVIG if n…

What inflammation reduction supplements did you use?
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