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Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by FredPret »

ta8645 wrote: post #52
kmeisthax wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't C-18, this is way worse. The context is that there's a Canadian Sikh who has been calling for parts of India to secede from India. In response, India had him assassinated. India has laws on the books that allow them to remove content globally for things that violate Indian law. They enforce this on social media companies by requiring them to have employees on the country's soil in order to take them hostag…

> In response, India had him assassinated. Why do people keep saying this like it's a fact? Often it's the same people claiming that the murdered victim in Canada should be presumed innocent of the accusations levelled at him. In both cases, we should approach the accusations with skepticism.

The Indian response was more or less an admission.

"India’s ministry of external affairs said in a statement it “rejected” statements by Trudeau and his foreign minister, adding that allegations of India’s involvement in any act of violence in Canada are “absurd and motivated ” ...

... “ growing concern at the interference of Canadian diplomats in our internal matters and their involvement in anti-India activities” [0]

TLDR: "We didn't do it and he was a bad guy anyway!"

[0] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/18/credible-evide...

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by senkora »

lainga wrote: post #12
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> suppression of separatists If true, this was a stupid move. They’ve martyred a separatist while bringing him and his cause international sympathy and attention. The assassins have carried out an action resembling an attack on a founding member of NATO and close ally of America’s. In North America. This is a line even the Soviets and Chinese respected. Not out of fear, but rational self interest. If true, New Delhi’…

> This is a line even the Soviets and Chinese respected Partly because they were on the other side. It's different here (if true) because, as the BBC points out - "Western powers would have to make a choice between backing Ottawa or New Delhi, a choice between supporting the principle of the rule of law or the hard necessity of realpolitik." https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66856568

India isn’t really an ally of the west.

For example, it was historically non-aligned but on friendly terms with the Soviet Union:

> In 1954, the United States made Pakistan a Central Treaty Organization (CENTO) ally. As a result, India cultivated strategic and military relations with the Soviet Union to counter Pakistan–United States relations.[2] In 1961, India became a founding member of the Non-Aligned Movement to abstain from aligning with either the US or the USSR in the Cold War.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/India–United_States_relation...

Pakistan is/was a closer and more reliable ally for the United States.

For another example where India disregarded the interests of the west:

> In 1970, Indira Gandhi enacted legislation which barred medical products from being patented in the country.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharmaceutical_industry_in_I...

Of course, India would seem to be a natural ally given that both countries are committed democracies and there is massive immigration from India to the United States, but in practice the United States likes the reliability of less-democratic states and India likes to control its own affairs and is powerful enough to do so.

So it goes.

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by Sanzig »

screye wrote: post #54

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That's an impressive level of false equivalency.

Nobody has ever suggested that Nijjar had anything to do with Air India 182 - probably because he was seven years old at the time, and I'm pretty sure seven year olds aren't masterminding airline bombings. Yet you went straight for that implication:

> But, if you have the dubious honor of master-minding the Canadian 9/11, then that puts you squarely in terrorist camp for me.

If India had evidence implicating Nijjar in terrorist activities, they should have requested extradition.

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by rajup »

eYsYs wrote: post #67
mabbo wrote: post #48

To those saying "But Bill C-18" - it's not the Canadian government taking things down. It's the Indian government, taking down articles and posts that accuse them of assassinating a Canadian citizen on Canadian soil. C-18 is a problem. We need to deal with it. That's not relevant to the issue at hand. And to those saying "Well he was a terrorist..." we, in Canada, have something called the Rule of Law. You have to pr…

> Murdering someone without trial because you don't like their political speech- why, I think there's a word for that. Oh yeah? What's the word for accusing someone for murdering without an iota of proof?

Slander, defamation?

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by throwaway75 »

mabbo wrote: post #48

To those saying "But Bill C-18" - it's not the Canadian government taking things down. It's the Indian government, taking down articles and posts that accuse them of assassinating a Canadian citizen on Canadian soil. C-18 is a problem. We need to deal with it. That's not relevant to the issue at hand. And to those saying "Well he was a terrorist..." we, in Canada, have something called the Rule of Law. You have to pr…

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Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by ta8645 »

FredPret wrote: post #71
ta8645 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In response, India had him assassinated. Why do people keep saying this like it's a fact? Often it's the same people claiming that the murdered victim in Canada should be presumed innocent of the accusations levelled at him. In both cases, we should approach the accusations with skepticism.

The Indian response was more or less an admission. "India’s ministry of external affairs said in a statement it “rejected” statements by Trudeau and his foreign minister, adding that allegations of India’s involvement in any act of violence in Canada are “absurd and motivated ” ... ... “ growing concern at the interference of Canadian diplomats in our internal matters and their involvement in anti-India activities” […

> The Indian response was more or less an admission.

The only way you could read that response as an admission is if you've already made up your mind before reading it.

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by rajup »

ipnon wrote: post #65
screye wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_India_Flight_182 The Khalistani perpetrators of the worst terrorist act on Canadian soil, second only to 9/11 in deaths, walked free. I can't comment on Canada's justice system broadly. But when it comes to holding terrorists accountable, Canada's track record is a joke.

Mr. Nijjar was not involved; he was 8 years old when this happened.

He was involved in other similar activities though.

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by pseudo0 »

slashdev wrote: post #20
gustavus wrote: post #17

For those wondering this isn't because of their boneheaded law the official justification is > Your page has been unpublished,” reads a notice sent to BC Sikhs that was reviewed by PressProgress. “This is because BC Sikhs goes against our Community Standards on dangerous individuals and organizations. I for one am so glad that we agreed it was a good idea for social media to censor dangerous people and opinions, espe…

> BC Sikhs goes against our Community Standards on dangerous individuals and organizations. This is hilarious to anyone who knows any Sikhs. They’re some of the most peace loving people on planet earth.

Canada's single most deadly terrorist attack was the bombing of Air India Flight 182 by Sikh Khalistani separatists. 329 people were killed, including 268 Canadians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_India_Flight_182

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by gruez »

screye wrote: post #59
mabbo wrote: post #48

To those saying "But Bill C-18" - it's not the Canadian government taking things down. It's the Indian government, taking down articles and posts that accuse them of assassinating a Canadian citizen on Canadian soil. C-18 is a problem. We need to deal with it. That's not relevant to the issue at hand. And to those saying "Well he was a terrorist..." we, in Canada, have something called the Rule of Law. You have to pr…

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_India_Flight_182 The Khalistani perpetrators of the worst terrorist act on Canadian soil, second only to 9/11 in deaths, walked free. I can't comment on Canada's justice system broadly. But when it comes to holding terrorists accountable, Canada's track record is a joke.

>The Khalistani perpetrators of the worst terrorist act on Canadian soil, second only to 9/11 in deaths, walked free.

>I can't comment on Canada's justice system broadly. But when it comes to holding terrorists accountable, Canada's track record is a joke.

The wikipedia article says the Canadian government spent $130M prosecuting the accused, but was unable to secure a conviction. If these people can't be convicted, isn't the correct course of action "walked free"? I'm not sure what the alternative is here? Should we lock them up anyway? Is there any reason to doubt that their prosecution was botched?

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by motohagiography »

gruez wrote: post #69
motohagiography wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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>the PM's governing party has been facilitating mass migration of Sikhs from India at a massive scale on every concievable visa exception Source?

Government workers, and seeing the line ups in towns around Ontario, and the "student" visa, among others.

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/canada-considering-fo...

High effort comment tho.

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