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iPhone 15’s shift to USB-C

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Re: iPhone 15’s shift to USB-C

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Post by scarface_74 »

layer8 wrote: post #65
scarface_74 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seeing that when the EU first wanted this they wanted to force everyone to use micro USB, what happens when someone wants to invent a better standard?

The technical-specification part of the law is placed in an annex for easy modification. Big-tech lobbyism will have no difficulty to effect an update when they can present genuine improvements. Will a solo player be able to use their own tech instead of USB-C? No, but that’s the price to pay for interoperability. It’s a trade-off.

so if Apple comes up with a better interface that might have a BOM of $1 instead of 20 cents, I as an Apple user will be held back because the Android OEM that is selling $50 unsubsidized phones doesn’t want it?

Re: iPhone 15’s shift to USB-C

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Post by scarface_74 »

PrimeMcFly wrote: post #62
scarface_74 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seeing that when the EU first wanted this they wanted to force everyone to use micro USB, what happens when someone wants to invent a better standard?

The legislation gets amended. Simple. Ideally, the legislation gets amended to that there can be a review process every X amount of years.

Wow, now we have to wait on legislators to set standards, in the hypothetical scenario, how long would it have taken them to move from Micro USB to USB C.

I am so surprised that people are okay with letting slow moving legislators set technological directions.

Re: iPhone 15’s shift to USB-C

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Post by _ea1k »

wredue wrote: post #45
_ea1k wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As much as I want to like things like dex, I always find myself thinking that the real world application isn't really any better than carrying around a laptop.

Yeah. In a normal work day on a brand new i7 w/ 32 gigs of ram, I would say I get frustrated by the computer not doing what I tell it to in a decent timeframe more than a few times a day. Now we’re saying “hey, let’s take a slower device with even slower pieces of shit applications on a foundation that worse at multi-window multitasking and make it what people use” I’d probably blow my own brains out if this actually…

Honestly, I played around with a desktop environment with Termux on a Pixel 5. I was shocked at how decent it was. I could see a new iPhone performing pretty well. With enough RAM, it'd be decent for a lot of people.

But it'd always have the unavoidable downside of meaning that your phone was effectively tethered (even if just wirelessly) to your desktop. And at that point, why not just have a decent CPU in the desktop?

I guess it'd work well in a world where you constantly traveled between workstations and also couldn't bring your laptop. I've never lived in that world.

Re: iPhone 15’s shift to USB-C

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Post by scarface_74 »

zpeti wrote: post #58
scarface_74 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SJ said a lot of things. There is nothing courageous about cannibalizing an iPod that had an average selling price of $200 and a much smaller market with a phone that is three times more expensive

That's very easy to say in hindsight. Cannibalising a public company's most successful product and profit source is extremely risky, especially for management. There is a reason this is so rare. It goes against many of our ingrained behaviours as humans. So I don't think it's as obvious as you make out.

It was very obvious even then. Apple was selling 50 million iPods per year at $200 a piece. During the iPhone introduction, SJ said he was aiming to sell 10 million phones to capture 1% of the market the first year.

That means even then, the phone market was 1 billion devices a year. That was a much larger market than the stand alone music player market.

It was also clear that’s where the market was headed. Phone makers were already starting to sell music capable phones

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Post by hotnfresh »

nsonha wrote: post #19
tapoxi wrote: post #15

>An iPhone that’s able to project something more like iPadOS (or, ideally, but not definitely wishful thinking on my part — macOS) when connected to a screen could easily replace a laptop for probably a significant portion of the population, including for casual computing, and for the work tasks of the bulk of the knowledge workforce. No, it wouldn't, because you'd need a display and input device(s) at your destinati…

The problem is having too many devices. Most people should just need a phone that can also serve as a personal computer. A personal laptop is a hassle, remember we already have a work computer provided by our employers

I rarely open my personal laptop anymore. Maybe once a month? I don’t really do computer-tinkering as a hobby, these days. I have a windows desktop for games, but zero important things happen on it (I mean—it’s Windows). Just games. It’s not logged into any non-gaming accounts at all.

Important personal stuff’s all on my phone. Hell, I basically bought my last house entirely from my phone, including the paperwork, and that was a few years ago. Adding a laptop to the mix wouldn’t have helped. House projects? Phone is several tools for those, laptop’s useless. Banking? Family photos and videos? Notes, alarms, shopping lists, timers, calendar, email, messaging? Document scanning, sending stuff to the printer? Shopping? Ride hailing? Reservations and tickets? Phone. There’s little room or need for a laptop. And I grew up pre-smartphone (hell, didn’t have the Internet at all until I was like 12) so I was well-accustomed to using desktop computers in the before-time.

Re: iPhone 15’s shift to USB-C

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Post by PrimeMcFly »

scarface_74 wrote: post #72
PrimeMcFly wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The legislation gets amended. Simple. Ideally, the legislation gets amended to that there can be a review process every X amount of years.

Wow, now we have to wait on legislators to set standards, in the hypothetical scenario, how long would it have taken them to move from Micro USB to USB C. I am so surprised that people are okay with letting slow moving legislators set technological directions.

Always a worst case scenario with you people. If the legislation denoted a review board then it could be as fast moving as need be.

Re: iPhone 15’s shift to USB-C

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Post by Phrenzy »

whynotminot wrote: post #41
rffn wrote: post #9

Apple would cannibalize their computer and iPad sales if they were supporting the thin client model like Samsung DeX. See how they already avoid cannibalization of the iPhone business by preventing the iPad to make phone calls. They protect their product lines from each other. As much as I like to see such a feature, I don’t think Apple will ever give it to us.

The iPhone literally destroyed their most important product at the time, the iPod. Weird take.

I've always seen it as a morphing into an iPod that accepts phone calls.

Re: iPhone 15’s shift to USB-C

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Post by lnxg33k1 »

rffn wrote: post #9

Apple would cannibalize their computer and iPad sales if they were supporting the thin client model like Samsung DeX. See how they already avoid cannibalization of the iPhone business by preventing the iPad to make phone calls. They protect their product lines from each other. As much as I like to see such a feature, I don’t think Apple will ever give it to us.

I agree with you, I used to be a fan of Apple, somehow, at least of the macbook and ipad lines, even if I used linux since I was 12, but then the idea of being dictated what I can or can't do with my stuff, and being used as a mere commercial strategy just made me avoid them, would have loved an ipad used as a flying dev station, even with power limitations, but with at least the ability. I think the HP EliteBook https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c04553487 is a great tool with Linux on it, and since apart from the hardware, the software is free, I can do whatever I want with it

Re: iPhone 15’s shift to USB-C

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Post by bgoggin »

rffn wrote: post #9

Apple would cannibalize their computer and iPad sales if they were supporting the thin client model like Samsung DeX. See how they already avoid cannibalization of the iPhone business by preventing the iPad to make phone calls. They protect their product lines from each other. As much as I like to see such a feature, I don’t think Apple will ever give it to us.

Seriously? Your claim is that Apple is afraid being able to make calls on an iPad would cannibalize iPhone sales? You think this is what's preventing people from walking around talking on iPads? Apple prevented calls on iPads so that AT&T would offer a cheaper cellular plan for iPads. Apple completely cannibalized their iPod business with the iPhone. They have proven over and over that they will cannibalize their own product lines.

Re: iPhone 15’s shift to USB-C

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Post by nocsi »

Odd, because Apples already implemented a thin client on iPhones, it’s called CarPlay. It can work over usb or Wi-Fi.

Otherwise I don’t see apple ever allowing a device to be a one stop. If they were going for that then it obsoletes stuff like handoff and universal control.

But really, why do people actually want this? If you’re using your phone for work then it’ll probably have to be domain joined. Then at that point your employer has eyes into the one device you use for everything

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