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Re: Meta deletes Al Jazeera presenter’s profile after show criticising Israel

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Post by Angostura »

shmde wrote: post #34
actuator wrote: post #15

Not that it justifies the deletion, I wonder how a state sponsored propaganda outlet came to be regarded well among global audiences. It would be interesting to read up on what they have done to garner that image.

So funny to see *unbiased HN users take up pitchfork in support of a literally Monarchy(House of Thani) + State(Qatar) owned propaganda machine news outlet which constantly writes in favour of their Middle East Masters and silently prefers not to tell the truth in their reporting.

Here's their front page. https://www.aljazeera.com Since you say they "constantly write in favour of Quatar, it shouldn't be hard for your find examples.

Certainly there's very negative coverage of Quatar's many faults, but that's not the same as constantly pushing a positive agenda. In other areas the reporting seems sound.

A starter for you https://www.aljazeera.com/search/quatar?sort=date

Re: Meta deletes Al Jazeera presenter’s profile after show criticising Israel

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Post by stonogo »

SenAnder wrote: post #64
throwaway914 wrote: post #19

I know I'm naive: I don't understand why US companies are so sensitive to respecting Israel. I don't know why our gov is so sensitive to this either. Israel - like all countries - deserves criticism, no? This can't purely be about respecting the billions spent on US weapons to defend Israel, right? I genuinely do not understand, because I think they'd happily buy from the military anyway.

Part of the answer is simply that a large fraction of the US government is Jewish. E.g. according to the White House, their staff (everything from stenographers and secretaries, to labor relations representatives and foreign policy experts) is 32% Jewish (2.4% of US population), 44% ethnic minority (about even with US), and 24% non-Jewish White (55% of US) Sources: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36119693

...you think that fifty-plus years of foreign policy is because there aren't "enough" non-Jewish white people in the White House at the moment?

Re: Meta deletes Al Jazeera presenter’s profile after show criticising Israel

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Post by Ygg2 »

hhh wrote: post #65
Ygg2 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. Where did you hallucinate me saying that? According to Elon it's just the ADL lobbied hard in US & EU.

And why did they lobby? It’s not like Twitter has become some utopia since he bought it. It’s gone to shit and is increasingly filled with a huge amount of racist and antisemitic sentiment. After that, there’s (exaggerated) a billion crypto scams.

Could be millions of reasons. Maybe they don't like way Elon is running the place. Maybe they lost contacts in purges Elon did. They disagree with people he let onto the platform.

Re: Meta deletes Al Jazeera presenter’s profile after show criticising Israel

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Post by unmole »

ta2234234242 wrote: post #59
throwaway914 wrote: post #19

I know I'm naive: I don't understand why US companies are so sensitive to respecting Israel. I don't know why our gov is so sensitive to this either. Israel - like all countries - deserves criticism, no? This can't purely be about respecting the billions spent on US weapons to defend Israel, right? I genuinely do not understand, because I think they'd happily buy from the military anyway.

> Israel - like all countries - deserves criticism, no? Maybe go look up Jonathan Pollard. If Israel is our close friend, why would they need to spy on us? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Pollard https://www.military.com/history/jonathan-pollard-was-one-of...

> If Israel is our close friend, why would they need to spy on us?

The same reason why the US spies on the Bundeskanzler.

Re: Meta deletes Al Jazeera presenter’s profile after show criticising Israel

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Post by sek »

blueflow wrote: post #69
sek wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are totally right, the whole statement is ironically antisemitism here on Hacker News: Facebook/Mark Zuckerberg and Israel.... what is the connection. It's clear the poster is on X/Twitter and you can see what Elons behaviour perpetuates. Elon Musk doesn't know how the advertising business works, get's rid of moderation and let's banned people back. Which obviously leads to an increase of antisemitism on Twitter…

You talk about Elon and Twitter users like some specific people talk about Soros and the Jews. Both are a form of blaming groups of people for some random, different person deeds. Not acceptable.

No, I talk about the ADL having a point and his recent behaviour, including the lawsuit, leading to an increase in antisemitism.

Re: Meta deletes Al Jazeera presenter’s profile after show criticising Israel

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Post by redox99 »

Moderation really varies a lot depending both on the language and the group being criticized.

For example on twitch, Spanish streamers[1] say a lot of things that would get an English streamer canceled and/or banned for saying it. And for other languages I'm sure the gap is even bigger.

The same with the group being criticized. Criticism against Russians is not moderated the same way as criticism against Jewish people.

To be clear I'm not in favor of hate speech, I'm just pointing out that moderation isn't 100% equal.

[1] I mean the language of the stream, not the nationality of the streamer

Re: Meta deletes Al Jazeera presenter’s profile after show criticising Israel

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Post by stonogo »

throwaway914 wrote: post #19

I know I'm naive: I don't understand why US companies are so sensitive to respecting Israel. I don't know why our gov is so sensitive to this either. Israel - like all countries - deserves criticism, no? This can't purely be about respecting the billions spent on US weapons to defend Israel, right? I genuinely do not understand, because I think they'd happily buy from the military anyway.

It's a deep political tie with a complex past. Here's decent book on the subject: https://academic.oup.com/book/7112 The Wikipedia article on "Christian Zionism" may also shed some light.

Basically, boosting Israel makes politicians popular with big swaths of their electorate. Pissing those electorates off makes things tough on a corporation, so they generally try not to.

Re: Meta deletes Al Jazeera presenter’s profile after show criticising Israel

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Post by weatherlite »

pydry wrote: post #67
throwaway914 wrote: post #19

I know I'm naive: I don't understand why US companies are so sensitive to respecting Israel. I don't know why our gov is so sensitive to this either. Israel - like all countries - deserves criticism, no? This can't purely be about respecting the billions spent on US weapons to defend Israel, right? I genuinely do not understand, because I think they'd happily buy from the military anyway.

The Israel lobby is incredibly powerful and well funded. They have a lot of money to throw around, much of which they throw at the US Government, which is consequently filled with their supporters. US companies know this and tread carefully. They've weaponized anti-semitism against their detractors. And, who wants to be accused of racism? Even false accusations stain your reputation. The irony is that it's probably o…

> They made a shrine to a terrorist (Baruch Goldstein)

Not sure what you're talking about here. Baruch Goldstein has no "shrine"* and besides fringe groups in Israel he is generally not accepted. Compare that with the monthly salaries Palestinian terrorists receive from the PLO and their rockstar status in Palestinian society.

* he has a grave, Israeli law can't really prevent that. The Israeli government has ruined most of the site of his grave despite his family's appeals.

Re: Meta deletes Al Jazeera presenter’s profile after show criticising Israel

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Post by blueflow »

sek wrote: post #75
blueflow wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You talk about Elon and Twitter users like some specific people talk about Soros and the Jews. Both are a form of blaming groups of people for some random, different person deeds. Not acceptable.

No, I talk about the ADL having a point and his recent behaviour, including the lawsuit, leading to an increase in antisemitism.

Which lawsuit?

Re: Meta deletes Al Jazeera presenter’s profile after show criticising Israel

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Post by wood_spirit »

actuator wrote: post #45
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are pretty much the equivalent to the BBC or CNN: a lot of it is alright, but they are still tools for their own gov propaganda. Because they are different govs, with different agendas, each of them see the propaganda of others as evil, but it's still all very much propaganda. Remember CNN diffused many bits on how WMD were in Irak to justify the war the UN voted against. The USA went to war anyway, and we learn…

> They are pretty much the equivalent to the BBC I am sorry, but they aren't. This is just false equivalence, you can just go read BBC's coverage of UK politics and you will see criticism of their government

Indeed, the conservative government has been trying to get rid of the bbc precisely because the bbc criticises it more than everyone else!
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