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Re: Snoop unto them as they snoop unto you

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Post by oceanplexian »

repiret wrote: post #54
LeoPanthera wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

20% means you drive at 80 in a 65. That is in no way acceptable.

There is a lightly trafficked, mostly straight, 2 lane highway between where I live and the closest city large enough to need 5 digits on its population signs. The speed limit is 65. I drive 75 on it. Most people drive 85. In fair weather, with the right vehicle, 95 would be safe for most of it. A few years ago, the limit was 55, and at that time, a sheriffs deputy told me they don’t bother anybody going under 70. I…

Depends on what state you’re in. In Montana, Texas, Florida, you can do 85 in a 65 and a cop won’t blink an eye. In some cases if you’re the one doing 65 you are a hazard and an unsafe driver.

IMO roads with 80 MPH speed limits are much safer. Even the crazy folks don’t go much over, so you don’t get a huge delta in speed, which is a lot more dangerous than any absolute number.

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Post by quickthrower2 »

yayitswei wrote: post #65
pesfandiar wrote: post #25

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I'd argue speeding is even worse, but to each their own.

I used to get tickets for speeding. These days I let Autopilot set the speed and just chill. I'm not as concerned with passing or being passed when I've delegated the accelerator, and the trip time difference is negligible.

Even cruise control can help reduce the need to check the speed so often but hills and changing traffic limits its use

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Post by Kamq »

nickpeterson wrote: post #34
genman wrote: post #31

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Actually not accepting the given speed limit is a form of voting against said speed limit (especially when done en masse). Yes, it is not formal, but it is voting nonetheless. If the system was really democratic and not tyrannical then it would take it into account and would not resort to more control and punishment.

I guess I’ve always viewed it from the standpoint of, at what speed are crashes rarer and most survivable (do those even coincide?) I think a lot of people really overestimate the difference highway speed makes in their overall transit time. If everyone going 55 led to far fewer fatalities, better fuel economy, and less delays because of accidents, I’d imagine we’d do it already.

> I guess I’ve always viewed it from the standpoint of, at what speed are crashes rarer and most survivable

They're most rare at 0 mph. In fact, they're so rare to be impossible.

Once you've accepted non-zero speeds (including walking), you've also accepted some level of risk. We're just arguing about what level of risk is acceptable.

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Post by dylan604 »

bee_rider wrote: post #53
dylan604 wrote: post #20

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In the southwest, we have what's referred to as one-light towns. Maybe this translates to other parts of the world as well, but essentially a town so small that they only need one stop light to regulate traffic. These are the definition of a sleepy town. As a specific example I'm well traveled is a stretch of state highway in Texas between Ft Worth and Amarillo called Hwy 287. As you get away from Ft Worth, and even…

Or maybe they just love the BrRrRrRrrrrrrr of trucks braking.

Which is why some of these towns have signs saying “No Engine Braking” because people in the cars/trucks pay no mind what so ever to the people living in the podunk town, or worse get off on the fact they are disturbing everyone

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Post by matheusmoreira »

NikolaNovak wrote: post #49
grecy wrote: post #26

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> Many speed limits are set lower than they need to be. Sounds like you are a qualified expert and know more about road design, traffic flow and pedestrian safety than those doing the job now. Clearly you need to apply for a position so you can right these so obvious wrongs. Please, don’t pretend you can do the job better than qualified experts

What experts? Majority of speed limits are in residential areas set up by the neighbour who complains, as the poster above just proudly did [1]. So the speed starts at 50kph set up by experts when the suburb is created, and 20 years later a random subset of streets is down to 20kph, because somebody somewhere lived there and was bored enough with their life to pester the city hall. And while that may sound cynical an…

Same thing happened where I live. In my case these people didn't just lower the speed limits, they littered the streets with speed bumps and "raised pedestrian crossings" which are just speed bumps with pedestrian crossings on top.

I hate it so much.

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Post by px43 »

unsupp0rted wrote: post #70
willprice89 wrote: post #67

I feel it should have been "Snoop upon them as they snoop upon you"

This is a parallel of the common biblical translation "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" (Luke 6:31 and Matthew 7:12).

It's a quote from the movie Hackers from 1995. The line is "Snoop on to them as they snoop on to us", which is actually the name of the article, and the talk, but for some reason the title on Hacker News got mangled. Not sure what's up with that.

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Post by Kamq »

throw10920 wrote: post #21
hightrix wrote: post #14

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Yes. Many speed limits are set lower than they need to be. On many roads, including freeways, the average speed of traffic is higher than the speed limit. Driving the speed limit on these freeways is dangerous. Additionally, many speedometers read slightly higher than the actual speed. Driving the exact speed limit on many roads as shown by your speedometer means you are actually driving quite slow. Repecting the spe…

> Many speed limits are set lower than they need to be. ...the only correct response to which is to contact the state government and complain while continuing to respect the law. Breaking the law while remaining silent is diametrically opposed to the democratic system that the US, at least, aspires to. > need to be ...oh, and vehicle inefficiency increases superlinearly with speed[1]. Until the majority of the vehicl…

> ...the only correct response to which is to contact the state government and complain while continuing to respect the law. Breaking the law while remaining silent is diametrically opposed to the democratic system that the US, at least, aspires to.

You've presented a false dichotomy here. Advocating for a change of the law while respecting the law, and breaking the law silently are not the only option.

You can also break the law while advocating for its change. This is called civil disobedience and is a very American thing, going back to at least Thoreau.

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Post by matheusmoreira »

throw10920 wrote: post #21
hightrix wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. Many speed limits are set lower than they need to be. On many roads, including freeways, the average speed of traffic is higher than the speed limit. Driving the speed limit on these freeways is dangerous. Additionally, many speedometers read slightly higher than the actual speed. Driving the exact speed limit on many roads as shown by your speedometer means you are actually driving quite slow. Repecting the spe…

> Many speed limits are set lower than they need to be. ...the only correct response to which is to contact the state government and complain while continuing to respect the law. Breaking the law while remaining silent is diametrically opposed to the democratic system that the US, at least, aspires to. > need to be ...oh, and vehicle inefficiency increases superlinearly with speed[1]. Until the majority of the vehicl…

> the only correct response to which is to contact the state government and complain while continuing to respect the law

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_disobedience

> Any man who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust and willingly accepts the penalty by staying in jail to arouse the conscience of the community on the injustice of the law is at that moment expressing the very highest respect for the law.

> Martin Luther King Jr.

Re: Snoop unto them as they snoop unto you

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Post by mplewis »

px43 wrote: post #77
unsupp0rted wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a parallel of the common biblical translation "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" (Luke 6:31 and Matthew 7:12).

It's a quote from the movie Hackers from 1995. The line is "Snoop on to them as they snoop on to us", which is actually the name of the article, and the talk, but for some reason the title on Hacker News got mangled. Not sure what's up with that.

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