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Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

#71

I think it's unfair to compare Facebook actively screwing us to Apple not adopting your proposed metric on their product and passively allowing a very popular app in their app store. Not a huge fan of Apple, but they aren't Facebook.

Apple does not have a tracking pixel on half the popular web. Apple's main source of income is through luxury hardware and subscription services. Facebook sells your information and attention to willing buyers.

Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

#72
I don't understand why the author insists on throwing cheap jabs at Apple by mixing them up with Meta's privacy violations. I think Apple's new privacy/integrity lists for apps is a commendable favor. The Google "sponsorship" at the end doesn't aid the credibility either.

Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

#73

Privacy blog post. vercel-insights.com, www.google.com, 'Sign up with Google', Join 132,793 people from companies like: Microsoft, Amazon, facebook, Google, Disney "There it is again. That funny feeling."

Ironic, isn't it. And the author apparently has nothing at all to say about Android and Google.

Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

#74

I think it's unfair to compare Facebook actively screwing us to Apple not adopting your proposed metric on their product and passively allowing a very popular app in their app store. Not a huge fan of Apple, but they aren't Facebook.

I was going to say, nobody believes in any privacy Meta alleges. Even when they do E2EE they still collect anything else about you that they can.

That is because of business models - Apple sells you stuff, Meta collects all the info about you and sells that to other people... It's very hard to have privacy when your paycheck depends on selling data.

Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

#76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody believes anything Meta or Google have to say about privacy. Google is currently trying to sell additional ways to spy on users built into the newest version of Chrome as a "privacy sandbox". > all of Google's documentation about this feature feels like it was written on opposite day, with Google calling the browser-based advertising platform "a significant step on the path towards a fundamentally more private…

Who brought google up? They aren’t relevant to the discussion.

How are they not relevant. They suck data from you for money.

Exactly what Twitter, Microsoft and Amazon do too.

Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

#79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was going to say, nobody believes in any privacy Meta alleges. Even when they do E2EE they still collect anything else about you that they can.

That is because of business models - Apple sells you stuff, Meta collects all the info about you and sells that to other people... It's very hard to have privacy when your paycheck depends on selling data.

Increasingly Apple sells you services and has tried ads, likely will again

Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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Apple's core incentives are misaligned with stealing your data. And that's why they are more trustworthy than facebook. It's that simple. Apple is first and foremost a lifestyle company, then a b2b platform company, then a hardware company. The lifestyle company ensures customer acquisition and the 'unreasonable' pricing . The platform company is the revenue, the moat and the golden handcuffs for every 3rd party comp…

Another year passes by, their revenue sources dry up (or dont meet expectations) and everybody is scrambling for a new stream. They look at their massive data trove, they double check with the lawyers and your nice little trust framework is up in flames. Thats how capitalism works.

This is all wrong. Conditioning on goldilocks and accepting least bad solutions is not how the digital society should be built. And make no mistake this is no "lifestyle" issue. Its pretty clear that 99% of life will be controlled by some digital artifact or another and there is no opt out.

Tech should be developed and provided on a data sovereign basis by law. People should be prohibited from collecting personal data and applying algorithms that affect people except under strict regulation.

Relying on "markets" and "capitalism" to shape such vital aspects of society is political malfunction for the history books.

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