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Re: NixOS just dropped Anduril as a NixCon sponsor

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I guess it may also be meaningful context that the account posting the link on HN indicates that it is affiliated with Anduril.

Is it? Did they say anything deceptive or dishonest? It's just a link submission.

You can obviously conclude that it isn't relevant. Or that it is, but interpret it differently.

I've edited to soften; I intentionally omitted interpretation. It's just context (that you may or may not see as meaningful).

Re: NixOS just dropped Anduril as a NixCon sponsor

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War happens when the other party things that they can defeat you without too great a cost. Developing weapons for your country is anti-war too.

Good thing then that the US has never started any wars! Of course, a for-profit industry that depends on wars (or at the very least, the fear that such is always imminent) would also never lobby to increase demand for their products and services.

(/s)

Re: NixOS just dropped Anduril as a NixCon sponsor

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Surely you can imagine some consistent viewpoints that a person could have here, such as "it can be a good thing when someone is able to escape a terrible situation in their current country even if they don't meet the rules for being granted asylum"?

I can see how people empathize with that but on the flip side I've known plenty of immigrants who went through the process the right way, waited months or years, gone through naturalization process and did the same to get get their families here. They, along with others still in line feel cheated by the people entering illegally / abusing the asylum claim systems. If you're escaping a bad situation in a central or so…

That's just hazing bullshit, "I went through this misery so you must, too!". You fix it by making the legal route less awful, not by intentionally inflicting even more suffering.

Re: NixOS just dropped Anduril as a NixCon sponsor

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I never suggested otherwise. Ideally zero people would be crossing this border illegally and then there would be no deaths, right? We should do everything possible to discourage this crossing. Adequate surveillance is a large part of that. If you are legitimately seeking asylum you can just walk up to any border crossing station and not risk your life. Edit: As far as the condition that we keep captured criminals in,…

Imo large parts of the southwest and CA benefit immensely from immigrant labor. Both in time-savings and $ (outsourcing upkeep, housework, child-care) which allow their population to consume more and pursue other opportunities. Also, would people pay 50% more, double or triple for fruit picked by Americans, meat packed by , those huge gardens and front yards maintained by, houses built by Americans. I think Florida a…

If you want the law to reflect the economic reality, by all means engage with your local politicians.

I know people with a tree farm business in Texas who only hire illegals because every single citizen they've tried to hire cut their pinky off the second week on the job and filed for disability.

I don't disagree with your argument one bit but illegal is illegal. If somebody is going to break our laws to come here what expectation should I have that they're going to respect our laws once they're here? Criminals should be treated like criminals in a functioning society.

If the economic benefits are worth it to you, change the law. Don't subvert its enforcement. You can't stand up shouting about Trump and a Jan 6th insurrection and also turn a blind eye to illegal immigration in the same breath.

Re: NixOS just dropped Anduril as a NixCon sponsor

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AI sentry towers on the US-Mexico border lends credence to Anduril's name from Lord of the Rings -- "the Flame of the West." This is completely unrelated, but if you like weapons with cool names (or are looking for names for your next defense-industry startup) the Tolkien legendarium has many! Angrist - the dagger that cut a Silmaril from Morgoth's iron crown. Means "Iron Cleaver" in Sindarin Dagmor - "dark-slayer",…

> AI sentry towers on the US-Mexico border lends credence to Anduril's name from Lord of the Rings -- "the Flame of the West."

So they hijacked a name from Tolkien's works and the Tolkien estate did nothing about it?

They threatened to sue TSR for using "hobbit" in D&D in the 70s [0], which prompted D&D authors to change the name to "halfling" and later on change their lore a bit.

[0] https://www.museumofplay.org/blog/cease-and-desist-dont-mess...

Re: NixOS just dropped Anduril as a NixCon sponsor

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War happens when the other party things that they can defeat you without too great a cost. Developing weapons for your country is anti-war too.

Good thing then that the US has never started any wars! Of course, a for-profit industry that depends on wars (or at the very least, the fear that such is always imminent) would also never lobby to increase demand for their products and services. (/s)

But that's an entirely separate argument. At the end of the day we have to live in the real world where human aggression exists.

If you have no defense, then you have no defense. If that's how you want to live, don't hide behind some other argument.

You'll have something that someone else wants or needs and they're going to club you over the head for it. You seem to be okay with that. That's cool, but I'm not. I'm for damned-sure going to have a better club or preferably a knife or a gun as a) a deterrent, or failing that b) a way to improve my odds of survival.

Re: NixOS just dropped Anduril as a NixCon sponsor

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What is the point? Getting some goodwill of non-paying users (aka. freeloaders), while (maybe) alienating paying users? I get that it is a project that uses lots of volunteer work, but you won't pay your hosting fees and buildfarms from latest rust helloworld-webservice flake contributions from the programmers-socks wearing community. Sidenote: the foundation of current computing is built on DoD money.

> Getting some goodwill of non-paying users I think you'll find they'll loose goodwill from some other non-paying folks. There are many people who code and use this technology who are pro-military. They may not speak up in the same circles as those who are against this but they exist. I'm only pointing this out to showcase the market is more diverse than people often realize.

> There are many people who code and use this technology who are pro-military

But are they pro-US military or they might be pro-other countries military?

Re: NixOS just dropped Anduril as a NixCon sponsor

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Would like to add some needed context (at least I think it's needed): * This started out because NixOS mastodon account posted on chaos.social local timeline which is rather German Mastodon instance with a strict no-military-content-without-content-warnings moderation policy. People got angry for NixOS posting about the sponsor there and started complaining en masse to drop it. I think most people complaining aren't…

A key aspect is that we discovered very late that TU Dresden has their own policies against military association that we weren't aware of. We would have had to fill in ton of paperwork, and potentially lose the place. This is what I tried to communicate to Anduril via email but it must have been lost in translation.

Maybe then tweet something to the effect of “we are extremely sorry, and we would love to continue having Anduril as sponsor and part of the community, but because of a screw up on our part, we didn’t realize we need to comply with venue requirements, so we need to drop Anduril just this single time”. Should be easy, no? That is, unless the TU Dresden policies is only a pretextual reason for this.

Re: NixOS just dropped Anduril as a NixCon sponsor

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Imo large parts of the southwest and CA benefit immensely from immigrant labor. Both in time-savings and $ (outsourcing upkeep, housework, child-care) which allow their population to consume more and pursue other opportunities. Also, would people pay 50% more, double or triple for fruit picked by Americans, meat packed by , those huge gardens and front yards maintained by, houses built by Americans. I think Florida a…

If you want the law to reflect the economic reality, by all means engage with your local politicians. I know people with a tree farm business in Texas who only hire illegals because every single citizen they've tried to hire cut their pinky off the second week on the job and filed for disability. I don't disagree with your argument one bit but illegal is illegal. If somebody is going to break our laws to come here wh…

Oh yeah, point is "legal ain't cheap". Or maybe even moreso that it might ultimately hurt per-capita output and GDP more than just the apparent cost of immigrant labor value provided.

Re: NixOS just dropped Anduril as a NixCon sponsor

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I wonder where that anti-military sentiment in U.S. tech stems from? At least in former Soviet bloc, we view your military in quite a positive light. Well, for sure in a more positive light than armies of competing 'superpowers'.

I say this as a Canadian (meaning - don't take my opinion on the US too seriously), but it's so strange to see what's happening to tech. US Tech in the past: "we dislike the military, the government, the military-industrial complex (and generally all authority) because we skew hippy and/or libertarian. Let us be creative and free!" US Tech today: "we dislike the military, the government, and the military-industrial c…

Your US tech today characterization is likely a strawman; from what I see in left leaning spaces, opposition to US military is more along the lines of your best reason.
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