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Human embryo models grown from stem cells

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Re: Human embryo models grown from stem cells

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Post by natechols »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #54
abledon wrote: post #20

population collapse: solved {checkmark} warring super-solider arms race: {added to jira board}

Out of all sci-fi/fantasy ideas out there, I'd never have thought Star Wars: Attack of the Clones would show up as a possible future. But as we are making rapid advancements in robotics and AI on one hand, and biotech on the other, and the relevant fields are controlled by different corporate interests, clones fighting droids doesn't seem so out there anymore.

> the relevant fields are controlled by different corporate interests

As opposed to governments, which are famously cautious about deploying destructive technology, and scrupulously avoid civilian casualties.

Re: Human embryo models grown from stem cells

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Post by goodbyesf »

KorematsuFredt wrote: post #17

Reducing human suffering is a noble goal and infertile couples could benefit from this research. I would rather have western world make giant leaps in this field and also set the direction of ethics here rather than just banning it and leaving it up to Russia and China to conduct this sort of research in their secret facilities.

> Reducing human suffering is a noble goal and infertile couples could benefit from this research.

The research isn't about reducing human suffering. No research is. All research is about attaining new knowledge.

> I would rather have western world make giant leaps in this field and also set the direction of ethics here rather than just banning it and leaving it up to Russia and China to conduct this sort of research in their secret facilities.

Why? Given the history of the western world in biological, chemical and nuclear genocides, why is it better that the west make sets the directin of ethics than russia or china. The west has proven it hasn't a ethical bone in our body.

Research should happen because humans want to learn and advance. The west ain't saints. The russians and chinese certainly aren't monsters, especially compared ot the west.

Re: Human embryo models grown from stem cells

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Post by jtbayly »

Retric wrote: post #57
jtbayly wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

None of your quotes indicate that it would be impossible to implant these. The article is beating around the bush, but essentially it is saying "These could potentially be implanted." That's why people are somewhat up in arms about this. Read the other article I linked. This research in animals has led to successful implantation, but not live births. Nobody knows why yet.

Nothing I said had anything to do with if these were viable or could be made viable, just that they aren’t direct equivalents. People could be up in arms if hypothetically 50% of these where viable, but the nonviable 50% would still cause errors when compared to human embryos. Alternatively, 100% could be viable and they could still be different in critical ways from natural human embryos resulting in universally lat…

You don’t appear to be able to say anything helpful about what “model” means in this discussion. The only explicit claim you made (that they were different because they would have been implanted in a womb for a week already) was incorrect. Some would likely have been implanted for a day.

Re: Human embryo models grown from stem cells

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Post by TeMPOraL »

natechols wrote: post #71
TeMPOraL wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of all sci-fi/fantasy ideas out there, I'd never have thought Star Wars: Attack of the Clones would show up as a possible future. But as we are making rapid advancements in robotics and AI on one hand, and biotech on the other, and the relevant fields are controlled by different corporate interests, clones fighting droids doesn't seem so out there anymore.

> the relevant fields are controlled by different corporate interests As opposed to governments, which are famously cautious about deploying destructive technology, and scrupulously avoid civilian casualties.

Didn't mean that - but rather that corporate players transcend governments.

Re: Human embryo models grown from stem cells

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Post by dragonelite »

abledon wrote: post #20

population collapse: solved {checkmark} warring super-solider arms race: {added to jira board}

Give a normal person some steroids and strength/endurance training exercise regiment. You will have a person that is 80~100% stronger then your average male within 7~10 months. A lot quicker and cheaper then waiting 20 years for a embryo to grown up.

Re: Human embryo models grown from stem cells

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Post by numpad0 »

kleiba wrote: post #8

I used to be a researcher in NLP until not too long ago. Over the last few years, increasing pressure has been put on on everyone trying to publish papers related to training data collected through human trials to provide ethics statements as a way to ensure that certain standards are met regarding that data. Not everyone is able to see too much sense in this process, and I've heard comments from non-US colleagues th…

It's that modern computer science around Web is just total Stanford prison experiment when it comes to ethics. A/B testing, heatmap collection, user generated data collection, those are all human subject researches and should be required to have an independent board in a University.

These guys have established processes and justifications to do these experiments. It was always just wrong that Web has none, and it also makes no sense to assume that just because the process look substantial judged by norms of other industries they must have ignored it.

Re: Human embryo models grown from stem cells

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Post by drsnow »

lo_zamoyski wrote: post #66
echelon wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We are biochemical, biomechanical machines already. We just don't teach it.

I recommend studying metaphysics. Scientism and its presumed mechanistic metaphysics are not coherent.

If metaphysics were real, it'd just be called physics.

Re: Human embryo models grown from stem cells

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Post by rmbyrro »

arthur2e5 wrote: post #24
rmbyrro wrote: post #11

That sounds to me like opening console and messing up with the website's JS code :D

Biologists have been messing with the console since a long time ago. They figured out what each gene does in large part by turning them off one by one, or occasionally making them run more than they should (overexpression). Even before they had the whole genome, they used random mutagenesis and slowly analyzed what got broken by breeding experiments. With enough data you can even locate it on a chromosome relative to…

I did not comment negatively about the tech, to be clear
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