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UPI Payments: 10B transactions a month done, next stop 100B

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Re: UPI Payments: 10B transactions a month done, next stop 100B

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Why should I subsidize parents who choose to raise kids in carcinogenic cities?

The data might not be available at the time. And the person did not have a choice when they were a child. Is the above question rhetorical or do you lean more libertarian?

I don’t see their point much different from what you described in your comment.

Re: UPI Payments: 10B transactions a month done, next stop 100B

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The scale of UPI payments is unprecedented. Perhaps the best payment system in the world by far. My friends who come from US are always awe struck by the pervasiveness and easy of use of UPI payments. They want it so bad in the West!

Not sure about US, here in Germany, I really love the tap-pay(NFC based) usually everywhere(except some random kebab shops). It simply works regardless of me having an Android/iPhone or simply just a the nfc enabled card. I don’t need to open another account, fumble with one-more-app or anything. Also apple-pay appears to mask my CC/DC number as well, so better safety. I want it everywhere badly in west as well as ea…

I’m sure your nfc card/phone works great in Germany but it’s worth noting that part of the reason is that your card is likely Mastercard/visa. Here in the Netherlands tap and pay is also seamless with maestro cards… but the moment you try to use it internationally, POS machines reject it (“out of network” or something). If you have a diner’s card or an American Express card you might notice how many terminals/pos’es reject those as well.

Re: UPI Payments: 10B transactions a month done, next stop 100B

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Quite convenient for tracking people's consumption choices and discriminating based on them. Hi there! We've noticed an increase of fast food purchases in the log of your account. Therefore your medical insurance premiums have risen by 200% to accomodate the change. For lessened prices, you might want to start consuming our Healthy Food(TM) lunch packs by EvilCorp, made out of bugs for the good of the environment :)

This is already a thing, but it works the other way around. Here in South Africa, the largest private short-term health insurer gives you up to 75% cash back for 'healthy food choices' [1] i.e. they effectively reduce your premiums if you signal that you make healthier choices than other people in the fund. The law in South Africa says that short-term health insurers can't charge different people different premiums,…

> This is already a thing, but it works the other way around.

Sorry for being pedantic, but charging "bad customers" $XXX and charging everyone $XXX more, whilst giving everyone but "bad customer" $XXX back, are equivalent.

Re: UPI Payments: 10B transactions a month done, next stop 100B

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Others have the system but is it as good and seamless as the Indian one?

Depends on what you mean. Instant transfers up to €100k work in Europe's SEPA (and you can indeed use a QR to encode the transfer information with most bank apps, I think). And there is of course the usual contact-less payment stuff at merchants.

That's still not as easy as app payments. There are a number of systems like BLIK in Poland where you have a lower max payment amount, but you just give somebody a temporary 6 digit number and approve the amount they withdraw, that's it. For trusted payment channels you just approve. If you initiate the payment, just give phone number of recipient.

Re: UPI Payments: 10B transactions a month done, next stop 100B

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> like the public blockchain Since this thread is about an article celebrating UPI's 10B transactions/month: That means between 4133 (28 days/month) and 3733 (31 days/month) transactions per second on average. Bitcoin is at 7 transactions per second. The bitcoin blockchain takes ~500GB these days. At UPI's transaction volume, it'd take 250TB by now, replicated at various sites. Whatever you think of blockchain, it ha…

That's an excellent point, as scalability has been the critical handicap of public blockchains to date. This article is nearly two years old, but provides a good overview of the latest techniques devised for achieving scalability in public blockchains: https://polynya.medium.com/rollups-data-availability-layers-... Since then, layer 2s (which are the principal execution layer of the modular blockchain stack the artic…

> scalability has been the critical handicap of public blockchains to date.

Also, the blatant scam nature of them is a bit of a problem.

While there's a lot of hype, the Washington Post already printed the truth in 2015 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/06/08/bitco... which an economy professor have nicely expanded on in two blog posts https://ic.unicamp.br/~stolfi/bitcoin/2020-12-31-bitcoin-pon... https://www.ic.unicamp.br/~stolfi/bitcoin/2021-01-16-yes-pon...

Re: UPI Payments: 10B transactions a month done, next stop 100B

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Thailand has a similar system - you use your banking app to scan a QR code, either the code is generated and has the amount included or it's printed static paper and you write the amount yourself, then show the receipt to the merchant or they check the notification in their phone. Started in 2017, nowadays it's everywhere, I can go to local market and pay $0.5 products with it. My 12 year old daughter opened her own…

Quite convenient for tracking people's consumption choices and discriminating based on them. Hi there! We've noticed an increase of fast food purchases in the log of your account. Therefore your medical insurance premiums have risen by 200% to accomodate the change. For lessened prices, you might want to start consuming our Healthy Food(TM) lunch packs by EvilCorp, made out of bugs for the good of the environment :)

Oh yea, privacy nightmare! Enjoy. I'm out.

Re: UPI Payments: 10B transactions a month done, next stop 100B

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Quite convenient for tracking people's consumption choices and discriminating based on them. Hi there! We've noticed an increase of fast food purchases in the log of your account. Therefore your medical insurance premiums have risen by 200% to accomodate the change. For lessened prices, you might want to start consuming our Healthy Food(TM) lunch packs by EvilCorp, made out of bugs for the good of the environment :)

This is already a thing, but it works the other way around. Here in South Africa, the largest private short-term health insurer gives you up to 75% cash back for 'healthy food choices' [1] i.e. they effectively reduce your premiums if you signal that you make healthier choices than other people in the fund. The law in South Africa says that short-term health insurers can't charge different people different premiums,…

Buy healthy with card. Fags, booze and McD's in cash. Or, a different card.

Re: UPI Payments: 10B transactions a month done, next stop 100B

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The most incredible thing about UPI is how it was embraced by even the poorest in the remote corners of India. One of the former finance ministers of India talked in a dismissive tone in the parliament about rural India adopting digital payments when the current government announced "Digital India" plan. Some one made a meme video out of it mocking him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCnv8gwN0ug Another video showin…

Jiophone helped a lot

Jio's push for 4G and unlimited data packs helped a lot as well. Pre-jio, internet was too expensive, unreliable, and slow to use frequently.

I'm amazed by their recent 5G coverage in the country too. Getting unlimited 1gbps in a lot of tier 2 and 3 cities at $3.5 a month. Unbelievable

Re: UPI Payments: 10B transactions a month done, next stop 100B

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The day after demonetisation was announced every news paper in India carried a front page ad with the PM batting for Chinese backed PayTM. The UPI revolution happened despite Modi, not because of him in the slightest.

That’s … not correct. Modi’s demonetization was a huge forced driver of digital payment adoption. It’s what spurred most companies into kicking off their UPI efforts

Shooting several people in a bid to get them to hospital to have their corneas scanned for cataracts can also lead to lower cataract rates. That doesn't make it the best way to get people to scan for cataracts.

Re: UPI Payments: 10B transactions a month done, next stop 100B

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Others have the system but is it as good and seamless as the Indian one?

Swish has 3 ways: 1: You follow a link on your phone that opens the app, you're prompted with the transaction sum and then sign with a code on the phone and done. 2: You scan a QR code (from sign or screen), opens a prompt in app for the sum, sign and done 3: Person-to-person, you enter their phone number(often from the phone book), amount and message, sign and done. The signing is done via the standard app that's al…

Just remember that all else being equal, UPI is still a far more impressive system. Here’s the reasons:

1. A 100x higher volume on a normal day.

2. A highly effective and equitable system that somehow managed to succeed in one of the most corrupt and beauracratic nations.

3. The majority of its users can barely read, if at all. Not to mention all the languages involved.

UPI is impressive because it actually made a difference in the lives of the poor. Probably the first piece of internet technology to have a measurable effect on the lives of hundreds of millions of people.

So yeah the case sounds rested in my perspective.

EDIT: also sounds like Swish charges a fee to the banks? Sounds a bit outrageous for a payment system trying to be the best in the world to charge a fee.

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