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2023 Paid VPN Relationship and Corporate VPN Ownership Map

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Re: 2023 Paid VPN Relationship and Corporate VPN Ownership Map

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Aren’t VPNs much less useful unless they’re proven no-log VPN? I remember going down the rabbit hole and people online were skeptical unless the company had a proven FBI raid with no logs taken, haha.

Wild guess is most vpn users use that to circumvent geo-blocking of video streaming.

They couldn't care less about logs, they spend their time on instagram, whatsapp, tiktok, discord...

Re: 2023 Paid VPN Relationship and Corporate VPN Ownership Map

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post #54

This is good! I will use this as a reference to share with friends and colleagues who ask me about XYZ VPN. I think something that is missing in the network of connections is Mozilla VPN. From what I understand, they are just a re-brand of Mullvad. There are other providers not listed, but finding a good VPN provider is kind of like finding a good watering hole--you don't want to spread the word too widely, else bad-…

I'm the author of the map and I'll get those updates on there now, the Mozilla node was actually hidden (as I need to update the corp info) and there's other corrections I'm making now. If you have any other suggestions I'm more than happy to look into them and start getting them updated. This has been a passion project of my own for the past few years so I'm really grateful for any other feedback.

Also, https://brave.com/brave-and-guardian/

Re: 2023 Paid VPN Relationship and Corporate VPN Ownership Map

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post #53

I'm surprised that no one has said anything about the fact that this is put out by a VPN company! I also could not find their name on the map. It doesn't mean that it's not there, I just couldn't find them. Please correct me if I'm wrong. The only thing I find a VPN useful for is torrenting w/o your ISP knowing. In my case, I use Surfshark for torrenting so that Comcast can't send me any of those pesky letters.

> w/o your ISP knowing I'd be more concerned about everyone else: https://iknowwhatyoudownload.com

I don't torrent stuff at all and my IP was there.

Re: 2023 Paid VPN Relationship and Corporate VPN Ownership Map

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Aren’t VPNs much less useful unless they’re proven no-log VPN? I remember going down the rabbit hole and people online were skeptical unless the company had a proven FBI raid with no logs taken, haha.

If no-log is a priority, you need Tor, not a VPN.

Depending on where you live - the fact that you use Tor can be used against you.

Re: 2023 Paid VPN Relationship and Corporate VPN Ownership Map

#75
post #12

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I'm surprised Mullvad works in China. Do you have to use obfuscation software (shadowsocks, etc)? The GFW blocks WireGuard, right?

I used to find it worked here and there for me (Shanghai Telecom, 4/5G was OK. Home didn't work). Shadowsocks worked well for me but then got janky - ended up using a local VPN for gaming and Windscribe for general browsing. For 3 sweet months I could run a AWS node and relay through that with awesome speeds but then that broke too. Ended up just with a residential IP and that solved everything til I left. There is o…

>> Ended up just with a residential IP and that solved everything til I left.

What does that mean? You installed a proxy/vpn server at someone's house in the US and GFW didn't block it?

Re: 2023 Paid VPN Relationship and Corporate VPN Ownership Map

#76

Why would I even want to use a VPN in the first place?

Because your ISP is probably selling your browsing history to the highest bidder, and there are a legion of data brokers out there collating every scrap of information they can get their hands on to build profiles about you. To everyone who shrugs, and says they have nothing to hide, Would you feel comfortable wearing a T shirt in public that went into grim detail about everything you'd rather keep private, are insec…

> Because your ISP is probably selling your browsing history to the highest bidder

That is unlikely in the EU. It would be a gross GDPR violation.

Re: 2023 Paid VPN Relationship and Corporate VPN Ownership Map

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post #22

> However, the worst case situation is that they lie about not tracking users and then they get hit with a LEO request they bow down to. That's within reason though. A VPN is another ISP afterall, so they have to 'bow down' to law enforcement requests. What LEAs can get depends on how zero knowledge the VPN setup is. OVPN[0] for example has been 'court tested' and Mullvad had nothing to give to authorities[1] since t…

A VPN is not an ISP, at least as Canadian law (currently) is concerned. ISPs are required to store IP assignment logs, VPNs are not. Additionally, VPNs (in Canada) cannot be compelled to log users. Source: Our law firm (I'm from Windscribe), and first hand experience with RCMP.

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Re: 2023 Paid VPN Relationship and Corporate VPN Ownership Map

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post #52

Why would I even want to use a VPN in the first place?

In no particular order: 1. To pirate content without getting sent threat letters or being sued 2. To prevent your ISP or the wifi access point or anyone else from seeing which domains you are connecting to and selling that data 3. To prevent government surveillance or blocking 4. To bypass corporate or institutional firewall rules 5. To prevent packet sniffers from snooping on public wifi 6. To prevent your parents,…

1. Nobody does gets those in Eastern Europe 2. This is a GDPR violation 3. If you have to hide something from your government then you should probably use something better than a commercial VPN. 4. Corporate internet usage is tied to your corporate account and the use of a non-sanctioned VPN is a massive red flag.

Re: 2023 Paid VPN Relationship and Corporate VPN Ownership Map

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A VPN is not an ISP, at least as Canadian law (currently) is concerned. ISPs are required to store IP assignment logs, VPNs are not. Additionally, VPNs (in Canada) cannot be compelled to log users. Source: Our law firm (I'm from Windscribe), and first hand experience with RCMP.

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Re: 2023 Paid VPN Relationship and Corporate VPN Ownership Map

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to find it worked here and there for me (Shanghai Telecom, 4/5G was OK. Home didn't work). Shadowsocks worked well for me but then got janky - ended up using a local VPN for gaming and Windscribe for general browsing. For 3 sweet months I could run a AWS node and relay through that with awesome speeds but then that broke too. Ended up just with a residential IP and that solved everything til I left. There is o…

>> Ended up just with a residential IP and that solved everything til I left. What does that mean? You installed a proxy/vpn server at someone's house in the US and GFW didn't block it?

Nah some VPNs allow you to rent a "residential" I.P which is shared by 5-15 people tops. They're rarely caught up or get flagged. This was in 2021 however so can't comment on the effectiveness rn
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